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Monday, 15 July 2013

Ivan Sanderson's Copy of the Report on Tim Dinsdale's Loch Ness Monster Film

Peeking at Ivan's SITU files.

From The Biggest Study site, arranged and presented by "The Professor":
This will just be a brief note. I think that when I'm "peeking" at Ivan Sanderson's files, I'll use a picture of him "peeking" at the Minnesota Iceman. Today's peek will be at a piece of evidence for the Loch Ness monster. I'm not going to do any analyzing, so it's up to you.

What we're looking at will be the study of the Dinsdale film. [Tim Dinsdale is in the picture above]. I have several very good cryptozoologically-inclined friends [they themselves are not crypto-beasts as far as I know, but suspicious characters nonetheless], who have written some of the best works in the field [George Eberhart, Jerry Clark, and Henry Bauer; I've had a long and collegial correspondence with Gary Mangiacopra as well.] All these guys are interested in Loch Ness, but perhaps no one more than Henry. I've asked him why he thinks that the Monster is real. This is a particularly intriguing question to me since Henry Bauer is one of the most intelligent men, and hardest "sells", that I know.

Henry gave me three reasons at the time. One was the plethora of credible witness testimonies from people he had talked to himself. Another was the occasional mysterious sonar reading. But the big deal for him seemed to be the "Dinsdale Film". This consisted of around 1500 frames of 16mm film shot by Dinsdale in 1960. It seems to show some object making a wake in the loch, but what else can one say?? To try to get a bit "else to say", Dinsdale talked the UK's Joint Air Reconnaissance Intelligence Center into analyzing it. Of course he gave them the original to work with. Much has been claimed for the results of the JARIC which followed. Some folks have seen them as not compelling; most folks see them as "proving" that some large animate object was swimming in the Loch that day.

Shuffling through Ivan's SITU file on Loch Ness, I turned a page and there was what seemed to be an original copy of the JARIC report. How Ivan got an original who knows?? Note, even, that it says "copy 1 of 2" !! Well, knowing that some of you are "romantic explorers" and enjoy seeing the original stuff, I felt it my duty [and pleasure] to scan it and let you look for yourselves. The three-page "thing-itself" follows.

Please read into the report what you see, of course; I am hardly an expert on this. I DO know that it has always been hard for me to "see" much in the documentaries which replay Dinsdale's film. Apparently, it was a bit hard even for the JARIC to do so. But, as you read, they DID see something.

What the report SAYS that their analysis was able to see was a "solid, black, approximately triangular shape". This of course doesn't mean that the "swimming" object WAS a "Black Triangle" but the thought does send one reeling for a moment ... but I don't want to get Henry mad and try to turn Nessie into a UFO, so I'm going with a solid swimming thing that just happened to present a sort-of triangular aspect as it swum away. The speed of this "thing", as Sanderson would have labelled it, was good as a small motorized boat, and the "above water size" large enough to cause a puzzle. But I'm out of my depth [pun sort-of intended] and you should just think it through as you will. My only goal here was to give you another rare chance to see the stuff "behind the stories" for a change.

A swimming Black Triangular USO?? Call Carl Feindt!!! Just joking Henry --- don't throw me off your Xmas card list.

[I have taken the liberty of re-posting the report pages below at a larger, readable size. It definitely reads as if it means to EXCLUDE the possibility that what is being filmed is a boat and "Animate Object" is understood to mean "alive." My conclusion is that the "Living animate object" shown in the Dinsdale film is a Long-necked Sea-serpent of probably good average size, and that this individual Long-necked Sea serpent was living in the Loch at least as of 1960. It is possible that this same individual animal was living in the Loch in the 1930s, and  that same individual animal does NOT have to still be living in the Loch NOW for this to be true.  - Best Wishes, DD.]


  1. "This individual longnecked sea serpent was living in the loch at least as of 1960." Weren't nessies with 20 ft. long necks seen in the 1990's?

  2. Perhaps you had better tell me more about that part. That sounds like a highly unusual claim and I would like the verification of it.

    BTW you are very bad at keeping up with your follow-ups here. several times you have made an assertion, I have countered with a rely (Example, "I would like to know your source for that statement") and then you do not provide whatever follow-up information I had requested. Several times you have asked me for my sources and then you give no indication that you ever read the provided information. I get the feeling that conversations with you tend to be one-sided..

  3. These sightings were mentioned in an article on skeptical (The article is entitled "alone on the loch: one man's search for nessie") The article says that such sightings of 20 foot nessies didn't occur until after a certain movie which showed a monster with a very long neck came out in 1996 and uses this as an example of how the media and monster pop culture often influence actual alleged sightings of such creatures.

    1. That claim at least is false, one sighting of a Loch Ness Monster with a 20 foot neck took place in 1960. I am still collecting data on the supposed 1990s "flap" of 20 foot neck reports, which was a new one on me until recently, but I do have A) a personal account from a witness I trust and I do not think she is lying about it or making it up, and B) a sighting from 1995, before your scenario was possible. So whatever was going on, that was NOT the explanation of it!


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