FRONTIERS OF ZOOLOGY Dale A. Drinnon has been a researcher in the field of Cryptozoology for the past 30+ years and has corresponded with Bernard Heuvelmans and Ivan T. Sanderson. He has a degree in Anthropology from Indiana University and is a freelance artist and writer. Motto: "I would rather be right and entirely alone than wrong in the company with all the rest of the world"--Ambroise Pare', "the father of modern surgery", in his refutation of fake unicorn horns.
Iguanodon (meaning iguana tooth) , a herbivorous dinosaur from the mid Jurassic decade of the Cretaceous period , been extinct for millions of years . Or not ? In the remote forests of Papua , New Guinea , dinosaur-like creature was seen . This can live link to an extinct creature was dubbed the Iguanodon PNG .
In 2004 , the PNG Iguanodon was spotted living in a swamp of thick green plants near the ruined city of Rabaul . The city was destroyed in a volcanic eruption about ten years before . Villagers saw the creature ran away from her, terrified . They reported it to be about three feet tall , gray, and have a head like a dog and a tail like a crocodile .
Although Iguanodon is thought to have been a strict herbivore, this creature spotted in Papua New Guinea is reported to have eaten three dogs . Could be the creature evolved to become carnivorous in the millions of years it has been thought to be extinct ? Or does it mean that it is some other animal entirely?
Anyway , the mayor of the nearby town of Kokopo Capital expects that the creature is found because it would make a great tourist attraction for the area .
A previous group of sightings , although somewhat less well documented , took place in 1999 - a large creature was seen wading in Lake Murray . The next day, a Seventh Day Adventist pastor reported seeing a creature with a body as a garbage truck , standing on two legs . He reported that he had a cow's head -like, and a crocodile tail , with a look of crocodile-like scaly general .
The SyFy show Destination Truth investigated the Iguanodon PNG in his first season episode entitled Igunodon and Ri . In the episode , the team is shown bones thought to be a Iquanodon in Papua New Guinea University . They also conducted some research first hand in the swamp . Upon returning to the U.S. , they consult experts zoology and showed them the evidence examined . Experts say the bones are probably from a sperm whale , and the footage caught on tape is probably one hunting saltwater crocodile .
What is known about dinosaurs Iguanodon , and how it relates to this strange creature seen in this isolated island ? Iquanodon fossils and bones have shown that they can grow to a height of 9 feet ( 2.7 m ) , then this is consistent with what the report sightings . Iguanodon teeth are made for herbivores , which means that the herbivorous dinosaur would not have eaten three dogs - unless they evolved to eat meat to be , or just killed the dogs and eat them . Examining the leg bones Iguanadon , the scientists concluded that could walk on four legs , but also work in two . This is consistent with the sightings .
If an Iguanodon were still exist today , the isolated island of New Guinea seems to be the perfect place for a creature to have remained unknown until modern times . It is not beyond the realm of possibility that he belongs to a species never before documented - between the years 2000-2009, more than 19 thousand new species have been discovered . Naturally, most of which was insects , plants and fungi. Is also quite possible that a creature has been considered extinct appear alive and well many years later - to see the story of the coelacanth fish, which was discovered in 1938 , after having been thought to be exinct 65 million years.
For now, though , Iguanodon PNG remains a little puzzling cryptozoology , out of the reach of modern science and fact.
[-The creature in question is almost certainly a large lizard and not an Iguanodon. A parallel situation exists in South America with a large Iguanid lizard is called an "Iguanodon" In this case, all I am interested in is the local reports of a sort of carnivorous land-crocodile and I do not consider the source, the supposed supporting evidence, or the conclusions to be reliable. I have been informed that the remains spoken of in the television broadcast and brought back by the Destination Truth team were most likely whale remains as stated, and the film is pretty certainly a Saltie croc. And I should still say the creature as described in the reports is still unidentified. It is also not an Iguanodon and not described as being in any way like an Iguanodon-DD]
My friend and frequent debating partner Paul Mead drew my attention to this matter on Facebook. It seems that believers in the existence of Yetis have some cause for rejoicing and justifiable excuse for lording it up over on the skeptics. One of the Cryptozoological discussion boards states the situation thusly:
"In 2008, Joshua Gates and his "Destination Truth" crew recovered a Yeti hair sample in Bhutan. The analysis reportedly came back as indicating 'an unknown DNA sequence.'
Fast forward 4 years later and now rumor has it that Dr. Melba Ketchum's DNA study will finally prove the existence of the Yeti in addition to Bigfoot.
According to Robert Lindsay:
'We have not been able to verify this rumor, but we have heard from several people that the Ketchum study also includes purported Yeti hair gathered by Josh Gates, apparently in Bhutan. We just heard it from someone very close to the study, so we think it is good.
The Yeti hair tested as no known animal, not human, unknown primate. Not only that, but the Yeti sample was actually close to the nearly 100 Bigfoot samples. So not only do Yetis exist, but they are closely related to Bigfoots. Some of us have always thought that Yetis were real, but lately, there has been a lot of skeptical research pouring cold water on the theory. The Wikipedia article on the subject says Yetis do not exist, and they are mythical.'
All of this has been very confusing to follow but I am glad that the DT Yeti hair is not part of this study and not associated with Ketchum's media circus. Although I would like to know what the eventual DNA results were of that hair.
Ketchum stated that she has been working with Bigfoot hair and tissue samples. I am sure that this story will change Yeti(yet) again as the saga continues."
There is good news here and bad news. The good news is that the Yeti hair has tested out as positively primate and unknown. The bad news is that coming from the source it does and in the context it does, the results cannot be trusted and in fact the analysis having been done by Ketchum actually hurts the case since her main study has been discredited.
However I am thinking that when Ketchum is out of the picture and this evidence is viewed again, This Yeti will turn out to be a valid unknown species and the same species as the North American Sasquatch. THIS Yeti is the Big Yeti of Heuvelmans, and the Dzu-Teh of Sanderson, the one that everybody agrees is likely to be a relict Gigantopithecus. Basically all we need is a new review of the evidence and that is already under way.
Paul Mead to Dale Drinnon on Facebook, 2 hours ago (5:20 PM July 2) Dale, watched Josh Gate's program about the Yeti in Bhutan & the discovery of DNA from a large as yet unknown primate, surprised you haven't rubbed us the unbelievers noses in it
Dale DrinnonI'm not the type that does that sort of thing (Blinking big blue eyes innocently). No I'll just bash you to kingdom come while the point is still an arguable issue.
Paul MeadDale, just joking, but surprised more wasn't made of this news at the time, unless of course, at a later date, the DNA was discovered to have come from the lesser spotted blue toed possum of the outer Himalayas!
Dale DrinnonPart of the problem is that the sample was apparently sent to Melba Ketchum for analysis, and a lot of half-true statements were issued as a result (according to Robert Lindsay) And nobody knew what to do with it after that point. I actually don't know what I can say about the results myself (BTW to readers unfamiliar with the case, the DNA sample is from supposed Yeti hairs recovered in Bhutan in 2008)
Dale DrinnonOne of the guys on one of the discussion boards said " I guess having possible proof of the existence of the Yeti is not a big deal after all. " and actually, I think that's about the size of it
Paul Meadbeing totally facetious about the blue toed possum, interesting thought on the yeti, however, there will be no end to the debate, unless we discover to what group of animals it belongs - whether bear, orang-utan, unknown primate
Dale DrinnonThere remains the very important factor that "Yeti" is a generic term and does not definitely mean any one thing in particular. Switching over to a scientific term such as "Pongo sp" will make conversing about actual creatures something more concrete. As it is, you can say "Yeti" or "Bigfoot" or any comparable term and mean an unknown primate, a bear, or even a human being equally well in the ears of the listener. A most unsatisfactory arrangement!
Dale DrinnonI realize you were being facetious about blue-toed possums, but that was a pertinent point about pandas and raccoons. In Biogeography you can have something like raccoons in the orient, but not possums, even though it is closer to Australia that way around. So you have more of a faunal continuity across Beringia than you do across Wallacea. (American possums evidently came up from South America) [This has a direct bearing on how reasonable it is to have the same species of Gigantopithecus in East Asia and in North America]
PUBLISHED: 10:19 EST, 12 July
2012 | UPDATED: 02:11 EST,
13 July 2012 A television programme dedicated to hunting
down supernatural phenomena believe they have found Vietnam's
Bigfoot.
Destination Truth, fronted by paranormal
researcher Josh Gates, travelled to the southeast Asian peninsular in search of
the legendary Batutut, a man-shaped cryptid never before seen by human
eyes.[This is of course an exaggeration: even saying "By American eyes" or "By Western eyes" is incorrect in that there ARE alleged witnesses who are informants-DD]
Using thermal imaging equipment Gates' team
trekked through the jungle in a bid to track down the fabled creature of the
night.
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for video.
Thermal image: Destination Truth, fronted by paranormal
researcher Josh Gates, travelled to the southeast Asian peninsular in search of
the legendary Batutut, a man-shaped cryptid ever before seen by human
eyes
After some hours searching through forests and
caves the team stumbled across what appeared to a set of very big footprints
that they believed had to belong to Batutut himself. Further investigation uncovered a lifeform
through the undergrowth caught on their night-vision camera.
The evidence, however proved inconclusive and
the team went home without their prized Bigfoot.
The Batutut, also known as Ujit, is thought to
inhabit the Vu Quang nature reserve and other wilderness areas of Vietnam, Laos
and northern Borneo.
It is described as being approximately 6 feet
tall and covered with hair except in the knees, the soles of the feet, the
hands, and the face. [Approximately human sized up to 6 feet tall-DD]
The hair ranges in color from gray to brown to
black. The creature is said to walk on two legs and is most often sighted
foraging for food from fruits and leaves to langers and even flying
foxes.
A big foot? After some hours searching through forests and
caves the team stumbled across what appeared to a set of very big footprints
that they believed had to belong to Batutut himself
Bigfoot sighted: Further investigation uncovered a
lifeform through the undergrowth caught on their night-vision
camera
Get it: A frantic chase ensues as the team leap through
the jungle in a desperate bid to catch the elusive beast of the night
Destination truth: They run through the undergrowth to
find the Batutut
Out of sight: Despite searching even in the river, the
creature eventually gives the team the slip
Now it would seem that the use of the name Batut or Batutut would be a mistake since the name is actually in use on the island of Borneo. There was a prior usage of the name in that sense that I knew of, however, and it came from friend and co-CFZ-member Tabitca:
The Batutut , ape , bigfoot
or neanderthal?
Wednesday, 2 September 2009
There have been reported sightings of the Batutut ,sometimes
referred to as the Ujit or Sedapa , since 1918 in the wilds
of Vu Quang nature reserve Vietnam and Malaysia and Borneo.
It is described as very hairy, about 4 or 5 feet tall with
a protruding belly, thick shoulders and a leathery neck. The female
Batutut are said to have long pendulous breasts. They are bipedal
,walking upright with an awkward gait. Village people in BarisanMountains
in Sumatra tell of an encounter with a
Batutut. A hairy creature about 50 feet away stood and
gravely stared at the people and then nonchalantly walked away.
This was early in the twentieth century, and L. C. Westenek, a
governor of Sumatra, received a written report
about an encounter with the wildman. The overseer of
an estate in the BarisanMountains, along with some workers, observed
the Sedapa or wildman.. The overseer said he saw "a large creature, low on its
feet, which ran like a man, and was about to cross my path; it was very hairy
and it was not an orang-utan; but its face was not like an ordinary man's. It
silently and gravely gave the men a disagreeable stare and then ran calmly away"
(Sanderson 1961, pp. 216-217).There are even reports that people were able to
sit with a Batutut, offer the creature food and hear it murmur unintelligible
words.
In 1918, a hunter, Mr. Van Heerwarden, reportedly saw tracks
very similar to that of a bare footed human. He
searched the area but failed to find any people in the forest..
Several years later in 1923 he saw similar footprints.
He followed the prints and then spotted a wild man
in a tree: "I discovered a dark and hairy creature on a branch. ...
The sedapa was also hairy on the front of its body; the colour there was a
little lighter than on the back. The very dark hair on its head fell to just
below the shoulder-blades or even almost to the waist....Had it been standing,
its arms would have reached to a little above its knees; they were therefore
long, but its legs seemed to me rather short. I did not see its feet, but I did
see some toes which were shaped in a very normal manner. ... There was nothing
repulsive or ugly about its face, nor was it at all apelike" (Sanderson 1961 ,
pp. 222-223). After observing it for a while, Van Heerwarden allowed the
creature to run away.
A 1947 sighting by a French colonist refers to the animal as
a L'Homme Sauvage (wild man).
Dr. John Mackinnon claimed to have first observed tracks in
1970 that led him to believe that a hominid similar to the Meganthropus lived
there. In his 1975 book In Search Of The Red Ape he described
his experiences and findings. During an expedition to the Malaysian state of
Sabah the British zoologist
found several short, broad, human like footprints. “I stopped
dead,” MacKinnon writes in his book ,“My skin crept and I felt a
strong desire to head home” “farther ahead I saw tracks and went to examine
them….I found two dozen footprints in all.” Mackinnon would later report that he
was very happy to leave the scene of these footprints stating, “I was uneasy
when I found them, and I didn’t want to follow them and find out what was at the
end of the trail. I knew that no animal we know about could make those tracks.
Without deliberately avoiding the area I realize I never went back to that place
in the following months of my studies.”( He would later become
renowned for his discovery of new mammals in Vietnam during the
1990’s).
During the Vietnam War, a group of soldiers reported seeing a
5 foot tall creature, covered in reddish fur, which they called a Rock Ape. This
account was reported and retold in the 2001 book Very Crazy GI – Strange but
True Stories of the Vietnam War, written by veteran P.J. Jorgenson.
In 1982, Tran Hong Viet of Pedagogic University of Hanoi reported that he
had found similar footprints to those that MacKinnon discovered near Chu Mo Ray
in the Sa Thay District while making an extensive post war inventory of
natural resources. While collecting near Chu Mo Ray in Sa Thay District, he came
across the prints. A photo of the cast of the print was later published by
Fortean News of the World (Japan Fortean Information Society).(see
photo left)
So an ape or a man? Some say it is a rare ape others a
Neanderthal who still lives in remote areas. Most apes walking on two
legs walk awkwardly so it could be an explanation but most of the people who saw
the creature would be capable of recognising a local ape ,so the mystery
remains.
Quotes from :Abominable Snowmen, by Ivan T. Sanderson,
[1961]
2012 "Eastern Bigfoot" track in mud, seems to show an opposed big toe, photo on the left. Photo on the Right shows "Swamp Creature" track from Arizona shows what looks like toes on its heels, a trait sometimes ascribed to the himalayan Yeti. This can happen when a knuckle-walking great ape leaves a composite print of both the forefeet and hindfeet togeter, and this type of track is also reported in Missouri and Florida "NAPES"these track photos come from JC Johnson.
Here is a useful psteup I just made for comparison: at the far left is a depiction of a Yeti (Mighu or "Wildman")from a recent Tibetan map I have reprinted before. Note that the feet look nothing like the Shipton "Yeti" tracks but instead look more like es type of tracknin Yeti track photo beside it also shows roughly the same sort of foot. The Tibetans "In the know" say that "Yeti" could mean a bear, but when Tibetans speak of "Wildmen" they mean something more definitely apelike, which comes in two forms: a big one like a gorilla and a smaller one like a chimpanzee. THe smaller one like a chimpanzee is the one that is shown here and is the one which Sanderson had said was comparable to the Orang Pendek. to the right is the outline of a foot from a very chimpanzeelike creature shown on a Japanese netsuke and illustrated on this blog before: note that the feet are once again ovoid overall and NOT like a monkey's tracks, which would have a more pointed type od heel. The hair on the sides of the feet is long enough that the creature can be walking on some of the hair sometimes, or at least that is what the artist seems to imply. And once again the same sort of Orang Pendek like track is indicated in Vietnam by the Destination Truth article. In which case it is all right to use the term Batutut or Orang Pendek IF you mention that neither term is native to the area AND you make a definite distinction between the creatures which leave humanlike tracks and the creatures which leave the apelike tracks. And it does seem that the more apelike NAPES or Skunk Apes tracks from North America are very similar to these same types of tracks again.
Wildmen of Malayasia and Indonesia
In 1969, John McKinnon, who journeyed to Borneo to observe orangutans, came across some humanlike footprints. McKinnon asked his Malay boatman what made them. "Without a moment’ a hesitation he replied ‘Batutut,’" wrote McKinnon, "but when I asked him to describe the beast he said it was not an animal but a type of ghost. … Batutut, he told me, is about four feet tall, walks upright like a man and has a long black mane. … Like other spirits of the forest the creature is very shy of light and fire" (Green 1978, p. 134).
Later, in Malaya[Kalimantan, Malaya on the Island of Borneo], McKinnon saw some casts of footprints even bigger than those he had seen in Borneo, but he recognized them as definitely having been made by the same kind of creature. The Malayans called it Orang pendek (short fellow). McKinnon stated: "Again natives spoke of a creature with long hair, who walks upright like a man. Drawings and even photographs of similar footprints found in Sumatra are attributed to the Sedapa or Umang, a small, shy, longhaired, bipedal being living deep in the forest" (Green 1978, pp. 134-135). According to Ivan Sanderson, these footprints differ from those of the anthropoid apes inhabiting the Indonesian forests (the gibbon, siamang, and orangutan). They are also distinct from those of the sun bear (Sanderson 1961, p. 219).
And then here is the descrption as given in George Eberharts' Mysterious Creatures:
Batûtût Small Hominidof Southeast Asia. Etymology: Unknown. Variant name: Ujit. Physical description: Height, 4 feet. Behavior: Nocturnal. Bipedal. Feeds on river snails and breaks open their shells with a rock. Said to kill people and rip out their livers. Wary of fire. Distribution: Sabah State, Malaysia, in the north of the island of Borneo, Kalimantan. Tracks: Length, 6 inches. Width, 4 inches. Toes and heel are humanlike, but sole is too short and broad for a man. Big toe is on the op- posite side of the arch of the foot.[uncertain] Significant sighting: British zoologist John MacKinnon found two dozen footprints in the Ulu Segama National Park, Sabah, in 1969. Possible explanation: Niah Cave in Sarawak, northern Borneo, has yielded archaic human re- mains. The cranium of a young, adult female found in 1958 is known as “Deep Skull” and may be 40,000 years old, which may represent the earliest anatomically modern remains in In- donesia.[It is a Pygmy type of skull-DD] Sources: Frederick Boyle, The Savage Life (London: Chapman and Hall, 1876), p. 36; John MacKinnon, In Search of the Red Ape (New York: Ballantine, 1974), pp. 100–102.
There is an ongoing problem in thart practically all researchers continue to conflate a humanlike creature with a nonopposed big toe and an ape with an an opposed big toe throughout the area, and the researchers are not only not careful to make the distinction, they casually use names that are current in one area and apply them indiscriminately in another region where the names are not currently used. In this case the Batutut and Orang Pendek are evidently the same as the Da Nhan (not Nguoi Rung) of Vietnam, and the track indicated by Destination Truth is of the right type for that. A large male of the type is the size of a man of moderate height and has a footprint about a foot long:but smaller ones are commonly seen at down to 2 1/2 to 3 feet tall. These are probably younger ones. At the same time there is a general confusion with a Neanderthaloid type (More properly the Nguoi Rung) which is also called Orang Pendek (and by synonymous names) over much the same area. NONE of the internet references I have seen make this comment or distinction (Quite a few say "Batutut Borneo" as if that were the proper name, which is a mere filing error)
The Gibbon's Voice (Newsletter) of December 2001 (Vol 5 No 1), contains the article "Observations of Previously Undocumented Gibbons and
Orangutans in the Kinabatangan Wildlife Sanctuary"
By Marc Ancrenaz, DVM, and this article mentions on p3
" A very special gibbon has been observed several times at
the KOCP study site. The general color of this individual is
brown, like many other gibbons. But this special individual
is about twice the size of the normal gibbon. Indeed, its size
approximates that of an adult female orangutan. Once, this
individual was accompanied by a grey adult gibbon who was
about half of the size of the giant! There is no tale of the
gigantic gibbon in the local traditions, and no scientific
record of such a large gibbon has been found in the litera-
ture so far. Thus, we hypothesize that this variation is an
individual abnormality. However local tales frequently refer
to a creature called Batutut. The Batutut is described as a
large, black, hairy bipedal creature, walking upright on the
ground and unable to climb up trees (or climbs with great
difficulty). This creature is very aggressive, and many
stories tell how people wandering in the forest are attacked
by the Batutut. These observations are especially frequent
close to the villages and the orchards where it comes to eat
people’s fruits and vegetables. Some local people think that
the Batutut could be a very old male orangutan, unable to
climb up trees because of his disabilities. This would
explain the dark color of the animal, the fact that it is seen
walking on the ground close to the villages, and that it is
not afraid of people. However, for some other local people,
the Batutut would be some other very secretive creature still
unknown to science and surviving in the deeps of the
Bornean jungle. Who knows?
"
During the time I was posting the selected articles reprinted above at my Yahoo Cryptozoology group originally, I felt the necessity to add this explanation:
What I said was that my understanding of the Orang
Pendek was based on Heuvelman's chapter in On the
Track of Unknown Animals, and that description
corresponded to certain Almas descriptions: I
mentioned when talking about reports from the Altai
mountains that some of the reports matched the Orang
Pendek (in particular the Van Hervaarden description,
which I suppose to be the "Classic" description)
And that the smaller type of Tibetan Yeti is geographically
intermediate between the two others
Some of these more recent "Orang Pendek" tracks and sightings
are NOT
talking about that: when there are reports of a small
chimplike ape with a divergent big toe and a footprint structured
approximately like an Orangutan's, THAT would not be
the SAME Orang pendek: you have a situation where different
things are all called "Yeti". That part always puzzled
me because whoever got off the main track in reporting
these things apparently does not know what the term
originally meant. I do not know if the confusion is at
the local level, a confusion by certain natives as
opposed to certain other natives or what, but we
should be going by what the standard sources call the
Orang pendek. That would be what Heuvelman's checklist
defines as the type, apparently the same thing as what
was called the Nittaweo in Ceylon and more recently
Batutut in Borneo: what Ivan Sanderson defines as the
Proto-pygmy type.
My personal interpretation of the Proto-pygmy category
is ONLY that it represents the smaller form of Sanderson's
Subhuman category: and I had also mentioned that
Sanderson stated in PURSUIT his opinion that the Orang
Pendek was only the small form of the Proto-Malays (or
Bi'lan, on Heuvelmans' checklist). Which is actually
saying the same thing. In which case it would only be
the same thing as Homo troglodytes/Homo pongiodes,
Almas, Chinese Wildman and the smaller form
of the Iceman: all of these things would be synonyms.
The small Orangutan-type ape is not that type of Orang Pendek
but another type of "Orang Pendek" entirely. "Orang" in its
basic meaning is
nothing so specific, it means "person", but
people who
do not understand the language might use "Orang" to
mean "Orang pendek" or "Orangutan", as specificterms.
Which is unfortunate because it caused a
misunderstanding which need not have arisen.
Best Wishes, Dale D.
