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Showing posts with label Bears as Bigfoot. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Bears as Bigfoot. Show all posts

Wednesday, 6 November 2013

Bizzare Zoology and the Sierra Kills story

Jay Cooney has issued a position statement about Justin Smeja and the Sierra Kills story:
http://bizarrezoology.blogspot.com/2013/11/a-notice-regarding-kills-related.html?spref=fb

In which he says he now feelsthat the story alleging that Justin Smeja killed a mother and child bigfoot while out hunting (the so-called "Sierra Kills" story) does not appear to be genuine and does not watrrant his continued interest or publications of the news stories, as based on the current status of the evidence that has been advanced in favour of the report (DNA analysis of the so-called "Bigfoot steak" sample, which has the DNA of a common bear)



And I would like to go on record as agreeing with him. The story does not warrant any further attention or publicity.

Please note that the illustration is copyright Robert Lindsay, as indicated, and it has been altered from the original for the purpose of satire by an editorial cartoonist.

Thursday, 17 October 2013

Sykes DNA Verdict: Yeti is a Bear

Has the mystery of the Yeti finally been solved?

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/17/world/europe/uk-yeti-dna-mystery/index.html?sr=sharebar_facebook
By Laura Smith-Spark, CNN
updated 10:06 AM EDT, Thu October 17, 2013

Terrifying mythical creature or just a bear? UK geneticist may have unlocked the truth about the Yeti, or Abominable Snowman.
Terrifying mythical creature or just a bear? UK geneticist may have unlocked the truth about the Yeti, or Abominable Snowman.[The picture obviously represents the more standard Almas or Wildman type instead of the type of creature under discussion-DD]

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
  • Geneticist: Mystery samples from the Himalayas match an ancient polar bear jawbone
  • Professor is looking for evidence of unknown species that may be linked to humans
  • He invited people around the world to send in samples of mystery creatures for analysis
  • Tales of the mysterious Yeti, or Abominable Snowman, have fascinated generations

 

(CNN) -- For centuries, tales of the Yeti, an elusive but terrifying creature said to roam the inhospitable Himalayan Mountains, have enthralled curious minds.
Now, research by a leading UK geneticist may have unlocked the truth about the Yeti, or Abominable Snowman, after hair samples from two mystery animals proved to be a genetic match to an ancient polar bear.
The findings, to be explained in "Bigfoot Files," a documentary series on Britain's Channel 4 TV network, are the work of Bryan Sykes, a professor of human genetics at Oxford University.
He put out a worldwide call last year for people to submit hair or other tissue from "cryptids," or previously undescribed species, and collected more than 30 samples for analysis.
Sykes' research focused on two samples in particular, both from the Himalayas but found about 800 miles apart, one in the Ladakh region and the other in Bhutan.
A footprint of Yeti, discovered near Mount Everest in 1951.
An [Alleged] footprint of Yeti, discovered near Mount Everest in 1951.
 
To his surprise, testing found a 100% match with a polar bear jawbone from Svalbard, the northernmost part of Norway[A group of islands in the Arctic Ocean], that dates back between 40,000 and 120,000 years, according to a news release from Channel 4.
What Sykes called an "exciting and completely unexpected result" casts new light on the Yeti legend, although it may not satisfy the legions of "Bigfootologists" around the world.
"There's more work to be done on interpreting the results. I don't think it means there are ancient polar bears wandering around the Himalayas," Sykes said.
"But we can speculate on what the possible explanation might be. It could mean there is a subspecies of brown bear in the High Himalayas descended from the bear that was the ancestor of the polar bear. Or it could mean there has been more recent hybridization between the brown bear and the descendant of the ancient polar bear."
Sykes' DNA testing forms part of the Oxford-Lausanne Collateral Hominid Project, which is also looking for genetic evidence of other mysterious creatures -- including the Sasquatch, or Bigfoot, in the Pacific Northwest and the Almasty in Russia -- to study their possible links to humans.
Those who submitted samples to the project last year were asked to give a description of the material and details of where and when it was found, as well as their own opinion of its likely species type and the reasons for that view.
The analysis, which involves sophisticated DNA testing and comparison of the findings with a database of other animals' genomes, doesn't come cheap, costing about $2,000 for each hair sample.
But it may finally allow scientists to pin down whether all those Yeti or Bigfoot "sightings" over the years -- often captured in blurred photos or shaky video footage -- are based on fact, mistaken identity or elaborate hoaxes.
" 'Bigfootologists' and other enthusiasts seem to think that they've been rejected by science," Sykes is quoted as saying. "Now I think that's a complete distortion of what science is about. Science doesn't accept or reject anything. All it does is examine the evidence, and that is what I'm doing."
Sykes has submitted the DNA results for publication in a peer-reviewed science journal and is also due to publish a book based on his research next year.
 
 
The answer is quite simple and is a point I personally have been trying to drive home since the onset of this study: THE YETI IS NOT ONE SPECIES BUT SEVERAL. THE WORD YETI DOES NOTAPPLY TO ONLY ONE THING, IT APPLIES TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS.
 
The word "YETI" is no more precise than the English word "Monster" or "Bugbear"
 
To quote Jay Cooney on the matter: "If this isn't just false media information, we should keep in mind that one of the reported Asian mystery animals lumped under the 'Yeti"'term is called the 'Chemo' [or Dremo] and is described as a large and occasionally upright walking bear which sometimes vocalizes through whistling. So perhaps Professor Sykes did find genetic evidence of a "Yeti" in the referenced genetic match after all. But I think it's STILL best to wait for the paper itself rather than to listen to media claims."
 
Eberhart's Mysterious Creatures lists this Cryptid as:
Mystery Primate or Bear of Central Asia, often confused with the Yeti.
Etymology: Tibetan (Sino-Tibetan) word, apparently with various meanings, among them: a female demon, a person who has gone astray from a religious life, a she-bear, and the red and blue varieties of the brown bear. Variant names: Chemo (“big”), Chemong, Dredmo (“brown bear”), Dremo. Physical description: Looks like a bear or large monkey. Taller than a human. Shaggy reddish, black, or dark-gray hair. Sometimes white headhair. Small eyes. Pointed mouth. Behavior: Nocturnal. Walks on all fours as well as bipedally. Growls and whistles. Omnivorous. Looks for food under large rocks. Throws rocks. Kills with its hands (or paws). Distribution: Eastern Tibet; Bhutan. Significant sighting: Somewhere southwest of Alamdo, Tibet, in July 1986, Reinhold Messner encountered a large, dark-haired animal that emerged from rhododendron bushes onto the path about 30 feet ahead of him. It rose on its hind legs, turned, and ran away on all fours. Local Tibetans told him it was a Chemo. Possible explanations: (1) The Brown bear (Ursus arctos), especially the isabelline or red variety found in the eastern and central Himalayas, is known in the Karakoram Range of Baltistan, Pakistan, as the dreng mo; to the Ladakhs in Jammu and Kashmir as drin mor; and in Tibet as the dred mong. Considered by some a subspecies (U. a. isabellinus), the red bear is generally 5 feet 6 inches–8 feet long, with a reddish, grizzled coat. It eats grasses, roots, and scavenged kills such as ibex. (2) The blue or horse variety of brown bear, sometimes considered a subspecies (U. a. pruinosus), is found in eastern Tibet and Sichuan Province, China. Its blue-tinted brown hairs are tipped with gold or slategray. A yellowish-brown or whitish cape forms a saddle mark over its shoulders, hence the name “horse bear.” (3) The Chemo may refer to the Yeti or Dzu-Teh, while the Dre-mo is a bear. Sources: Edmund Hillary and Desmond Doig, High in the Cold Thin Air (Garden City, N.Y.: Doubleday, 1962), pp. 100–101 119–123; Odette Tchernine, The Yeti (London: Neville Spearman, 1970), p. 175; Terry Domico, Bears of the World (New York: Facts on File, 1988); Reinhold Messner, My Quest for the Yeti (New York: St. Martin’s, 2000).
 
As a postscript, here is a statement made by Paul Mead on the CFZ Facebook Message board

Paul Mead whatever it is, I certainly don't buy the bipedal bear theory, Hilary in his 60s expedition book linked the brown/blue bear identification to the 'yeti', a bear pelt was brought back from Bhutan & identified by Sykes as an unknown subspecies of brown bear so this DNA may well have contributed to today's announcements, I agree however, that it is too early to state for certain that this bear is the definitive yeti as there is still a wealth of evidence that points to a large unknown primate possibly a sub species of orangutan living in the forests of SE Asia today
 

Tuesday, 2 April 2013

More Materials On Differentiating Bigfoot, Yeti, Skunk Ape, Wildman and Sasquatch

Above is a facial portrait and below is a footprint of the Eastern Bigfoot, which is often compared to a "Caveman" in appearance. The term Eastern Bigfoot has been used since the 1970s to discriminate the type, although there are problems with using that term since it has also been applied to the more apelike Skunk Ape (see below), with equal vigour and for about the same length of time. 
The footprints and build of this creature (Which I call the American Almas) are very much like Neanderthal fossils and so is the shape of the skull, face and braincase. They are burly creatures built like old-time professional wrestlers and with short bandy legs. Their arms turn out to be not particularly overlong in comparison to Caucasian Homo sapiens, but both hands and feet are large enough to seem outsized. Both hands and feet are squared-off in appearance. The top of the head is usually domed rather than peaked and one gets the impression of a head distinct from the shoulders 


 
The following photo is from Ohio and if genuine it would be one of these Eastern Bigfoots.
It seems to be running with unusual vigour and it has been suggested it would not be possible for a man in a suit to perform this action at such a great speed. The proportions look human enough.
 
 

 
Eastern Bigfoot drawings from an article posted on the blog recently.
The profile is similar to the famous "March of fossil humans" from the Time-Life book Early Man.
The head-on view is a close match for the "Mecheny" Almas seen in Siberia.     

Two peculiarities are associated with the American Almas males: the first is that the crown of the head can have thinning hair, or be partly to wholly bald on top; the second is that they can have beards and moustaches ranging from just noticeable to full-beard-hanging-to-the-waist.


Whether or not these photographs represent real creatures, they DO represent what the witnesses are reporting. These reports do continue more rarely out to the West Coast, and then there are areas both in Northwest Canada and then again in Mexico and points South where they are counted as specific regular types reported in those areas. In Northwest Canada they are the BushMen and in South America they are the Didis and Maricoxis.
 
 
Blogger Jay from the companion blog Bizzare Zoology sent in this illustration tpo my Facebook wall. He said the "Wild Woman" illustrated on the house pole could be meant for one of my American Almases and he pasted the skull alongside for comparison. It looks like a good match to me.

 
Further to the south there are what Sanderson called The Little Red Men of the Bottomlands (or of the Mississippi delta) and wondered if the reports could be related to runaway orangutans (in 1961): soon after that, "Skunk ape" reports started coming in from Florida
 
 
There was some variation overall in the kind of apes they were said to look like,chimpanzees were alleged almost as commonly as orangutans. And yet the striking similarity to orangutans insited on  in all of the best reports and shown in photographs is very hard to discount or to overlook.

Myakka Florida Skunk Ape on Left Compared to Orangutan on Right

 

Fangs as illustrated on an internet Skunk Ape site 
 
"Monkey" Skull Unearthed in Texas Early May 2009.

 
Large Apelike creature on the loose as shown on Fox News and illustrated on the Cryptomundo site.
Below, Illustration of a "Sasquatch" actually based o Skunk Ape reports. The Skunk Apes can walk weither bipedally or quadrupedally on the ground, and it does seem they do so more frequently than normal apes usually do. 


El Reno Oklahoma "Ape Hand" print on Henhouse

Apelike Category Tracks
Upper Left Himalayan "Yeti", Upper Right Orang Pendek from Sumatra
Lower Right Chinese Yeren, Lower Left from Pennsylvania
 
There is a great range in track shapes depending on how closely the big toe is clenched to the foot
 
                  
 
Footprint cast for the Skunk Ape: in this example, the two smallest toes seem to have run together in casting. These tracks characteristically show an opposed big toe: more recently they are often said to resemble the Orang Pendek tracks from Sumatra and lately publicised. Below is a comparison of the-is kind of "Bigfoot" with the typical (Smaller) Yeti from the Himalayas. A close match in proportions and stance.This type of Yeti is ordinarily said to be the size of a teenager or a young man for the males, females much smaller.These Yetis typically live at lower altitudes in the jungles (where they are known under different names) and only rarely go over the mountains when they need to get from one valley to another, and that most likely because of feeding patterns and population pressures.

 
Ivan Sandersons' comparisons for the "REGULAR AND LARGE YETIS", the latter also being the same as the Sasquatch
 
 
Big Footprints, attributed to Sasquatch. From California, Huffington Post
 

 Museum reconstruction of Sasquatch
 
  Above and below, Witness' drawings. The typical West Coast Sasquatch
has a small pointed head which does not have a distinct neck or separation from the shoulders visible
Both arms and legs are thickly muscled and the hands reach as far down as the knees.
The eyes are small, round, dark, and placed close together, nose is flat and the ears are rarely seen.

 
Artwork from Utah Bigfoot site, above and below
Traditional Representations of Sasquatch on border below



"Peter O, Hoot" above and "Peter O, Staredown" below.


 
Life-sized Sasquatch Mockup, credit is indicated.

 
 
The Patterson film shows a creature that is entirely consistent with the usual descriptions and  footprints (Footprints as found and as shown in the film)

 
The shape of the Sasquatch (Above) is unmistakeably different than your typical brown bear standing up. The typical shape for the tracks is also unmistakeably different.
 

Sunday, 24 February 2013

Robert Lindsay, Bigfoot News

I am reproducing Robert Lindsay's entire column for the day because I shall have pertinent comments to make for several passages in it:

by | February 23, 2013 · 8:54 PM
 

Bigfoot News February 23, 2013

World exclusive – Justin Smeja of Sierra Kills fame releases a video at midnight detailing how Dr. Melba Ketchum told him to contaminate his Bigfoot steak sample from the Kills! She did so for unknown reasons, most probably so that other researchers would not use it and scoop her on the Bigfoot DNA story. It was a sleazy thing to do, but I think judging from the circumstances, Melba may have been right to make this morally dubious request. I detailed my reasons for that in the last post. Anyway, this is a blockbuster!
The story and video is on the Sierra Site Project website here.
The Men In Black (MIB’s) may be after Rick Dyer’s Bigfoot! Texas authorities have noticed [notified?] Las Vegas police about possible criminal or fish and game violations involved in the possible harvest of a nongame animal by Dyer in Texas in September 2012. What all of this means, I have no idea. The people promoting the idea have sources on the SWAT team in Las Vegas and they say that Dyer is hoaxing. If Dyer is hoaxing, why is LE going after him. I hope the MIB’s don’t confiscate the Bigfoot, if it exists!
Two shots hit Dyer’s Bigfoot. It now turns that Dyer fired on the Bigfoot two times, once hitting it in the back and the other time hitting it in the back of the head.
Michael Merchant is doing some great Bigfoot breakdowns lately! I don’t really like his podcasts too much, as he tears apart everything and everyone, but his breakdowns have a whole different attitude about them. Michael is very bright and very funny when he is good.

Michael Merchant breaks down Adirondacks Bigfoot.

This video has never made any sense to me. A friend of mine insisted it was a hoax, and the general view is that it is a hoax. However, this is one of the weirdest hoaxes I have ever seen, if it is a hoax. Look at the huge head! Combined with the small size. It could very well be a juvenile Bigfoot as they have gigantic heads.
Also the ears look exactly like Bigfoot ears, a nice touch that hoaxers almost never get right. It is bending its head back in a very bizarre way, but why would a hoaxer do that. And it goes down on all fours. Why? When do hoaxers ever go on all fours like that. It does look like a gorilla! Very much like a gorilla. All I have to say is that this is one of the weirdest Bigfoot videos I have ever seen!

Michael Merchant breaks down Nassau Bigfoot.

I really do think that this is a Bigfoot, and it is definitely going on all fours.
Michael Merchant breaks down San Juans Bigfoot.
This video is very strange and I cannot make any sense out of it. Whether it is a hoax or whether it is a real Bigfoot, I have no idea. The general view is it is a hoax, but that could be incorrect.
Dr. Melba Ketchum told Justin Smeja that the Bigfoot steak from the Sierra Kills would probably test as “bear” if he sent it out somewhere else! Turns out that Justin et al did send it out elsewhere, and it did test as “bear” from two separate labs. What kind of sense does that make? It makes no sense at all! I am as confused as anyone about this.
Ketchum is not hoaxing. One theory is that Ketchum has nothing but samples from known animals and that she has manipulated or misinterpreted those samples in some way as part of a gigantic scientific hoax. The problem is that that is scientific misconduct for sure if she did that. She would also be sued to Kingdom Come and she could be prosecuted by an enterprising DA for criminal fraud.
Ketchum is a rather shady person for sure (but many of the pillars of our society in business, entertainment and government are shady or worse), but she is not hoaxing. I do not believe that she is capable of scientific misconduct. She doesn’t have it in her, she doesn’t want to be sued and for sure she doesn’t want to go to jail or prison.
As far as ethical challenges, many of the greatest men and women in history had some rather remarkable ethical lapses, yet we still consider them great. Let God sort em out!
Another way we know she is not hoaxing is because I know that Adrian Erickson is not hoaxing. Erickson and his team definitely have samples from real Bigfoots. That’s for sure. If Erickson’s samples are real, then Melba’s samples are real. In addition, for sure Derek Randles and his team is not hoaxing, nor is Larry Jenkins, Mitch Waite, Alex Hearn, Stan Courtney, Larry Surface, Henner Fahrenbach, Rob Alley or JC Johnson. As far as the rest of the submitters, I doubt if most of them are hoaxers, but I don’t know them, so they might possibly be. We always have consider all hypotheses in science.
Critique of Ketchum’s DNA study. Via Tyler Huggins on Bigfoot Forums, who sent the study to a PhD friend of his:
Huggins: I have another, and seemingly final update from my PhD contact who would prefer not to post here:
PhD: “What my analysis says is that the bear sequences are real bear and not just primate sequences that are homologous to bear. That means that a bear was involved. This is consistent with your and Bart’s reports. It also points to the fact that it’s inclusion in the publication was inappropriate, because it adds more confusion than clarity.
I think this is gonna be it for me on this sample. It’s fairly tedious work. It’s pointing to an artifactual mosaic due to the combining of human and bear sequences along with poor quality control of the output. Here is something that you can post:
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Further analysis of the sequence associated with Sample 26 indicates that it is 2.7 million nucleotides in length., which is only about 0.1% of the human genome. It tracks from beginning to end with sequences associated with Chromosome 11. Chromosome 11 is 134 million nucleotides in length. So, this would correspond to roughly 0.2% of the content of Chromosome 11.
There are segments that identify with very high significance to Ursid (bear) sequences. One major limitation related to the analysis is that Genbank is fairly limited in Ursid sequences. Most of the Ursid sequences identify with Panda, but Panda is fairly well represented in Genbank compared to black bear and other bears. The Ursid sequences appear to be mainly from coding regions, rather than structural regions.
It is really impossible to compare the Chromosome 11 structural sequences (non-coding) to similar sequences for bears. So, it is possible that there are bear non-coding sequences, as well. This makes it very hard to decipher what might be going on in terms of the source of the sample vs. the contaminant.
So, are the bear sequences real bear or are they primate sequences that identify closely with bear. A distance tree analysis in BLAST using several sequences that identified as phosphatidylserine synthase-2 like coding regions indicates that the Sample 26 version aligns most closely with Ursid sequence (Panda). A primate cluster (human, gorilla, baboon, chimp, rhesus monkey) are highly homologous but more distantly related. Additional sequences from dog, mouse and galigo (Otolemur) were included as outliers and branch further away as might be expected.
So, the upshot here is that the 2.7 million nucleotide data set for Sample 26 is highly flawed, and, therefore, would be nearly impossible to use to determine whether a non-human primate contributed DNA to the sample.”
Ok, based on that, my reading is that Ketchum’s analysis of the Bigfoot DNA from the Sierra steak makes no sense at all. I do not know what that means. It either means that Bigfoot DNA itself makes no sense or that there was something wrong with her analysis.
Craziest Bigfooters of all vindicated by Ketchum DNA study. Via this fascinating webpage of Ketchum’s very unprofessional website (my browsers warned about possible phishing sites due to improper certificates) we see a list of all of the successful submitters to the study. Many are rather unremarkable, but some do stand out.
For instance, Igor Burtsev, widely derided as a kook and quite possibly a hoaxer (he seems to have hoaxed a Bigfoot tour for Dr. Jeff Meldrum in the Kuzbass) nevertheless has 6 successful samples in the study, including one from Russia! 3 of the samples come from Tennessee (Apparently from the Carter Farm!), one from Michigan (Via Robin Lynne’s habituation site no doubt!) and one is from Russia (Which means that Ketchum’s study proves that Yetis are real!)
The Carter Farm is the site of Janice Carter’s story detailed in Mary Green’s book 50 Years with Bigfoot that details Janice’s growing up and living with the Bigfoots on her family farm in Tennessee over the course of a lifetime. It is widely derided as utterly ridiculous, in particular the parts about Fox the Bigfoot, and Janice has been proven to be a hoaxer, at least in part. In one scene, Fox comes to Janice’s door to ask for some garlic, which she gives him!
Janice herself has 7 successful samples in to Ketchum’s study and Melba’s page states that one of the samples was form the late Fox (Fox died in 2010) himself! How she figured that out, I have no idea. Yet the Ketchum study appears to prove that the Bigfoots at the Carter Farm, including the incredible Fox himself, were real, and hence Janice’s story, at least in part, is a true story! Holy Sasquatch!
In addition, Robin Lynne is Melba’s new spokesman and is widely derided as an ultra-kook even in Bigfoot circles. She says there are 10 Bigfoots living in and around her family’s rural property in Michigan. She feeds them fish and blueberry muffins! Once this story got out to the mainstream media, they all had a huge laugh about it. I even thought her story was insane, but apparently Lynne has a successful sample into Ketchum’s study, apparently validating that there are indeed Bigfoots living around her place and that her story is at least in part true. Holy Boogieman!

OK, Now for comments from DD-

I think that the story Melba Ketchum has asked Smeja to deliberately contaminate the samples has arisen because the suspicion now is that Smeja's samples are already contaminated.  This could be either Ketchum's actual request or Smeja covering his own ass by pointing fingers and making accusations.

That the differennt law enforcement agencies are snooping around Dyerand checking out his claim means nothing of any especial importance, it need not imply there is an actual body involved: all there needs to be is the report of suspicious activity. Word has also been circulating that Dyer admitted to the hoax on an internet radio broadcast and Bigfoot Evidence has carried that story recently.HERE

I do not endorse any of the videos, but I do not reject them all, either. I do endorse the idea that there is a large apelike creature present in North America, NOT a Bigfoot, which sometimes walks on all fours and which has been identified by Loren Coleman as a North American Ape or NAPE. Some of the reports are definitely runaway lab apes, Coleman has reasons to assume it is a native ape.  My data tends to support the idea there is a native ape closely similar to an orangutan, and that certain photographs including the Florida Myakka Ape photos depict it. The "broken back" of the one video creature is very peculiar and I suspect a hoax in that case-from the jerking of the camera around more than the wierd appearance of the creature, actually.
Large Apelike creature in high weeds in US Midwest,
compared to a view of an orangutan from the rear second row.
 Below are two extremes in colouration for the Borneo orangutans.


"Bigfoot up a tree, bear on the ground" above and
Below, closeup of the "Bigfoot"
Which also has an orangutan-like look to it

 All photos are from Bigfoot Evidence and reproduced here under the terms of Fair Use.

That the anamolous and already-questioned genetic sequences from chromosome 11 come from bears contaminating the sample in Ketchum's study comes as no surprise. When the findings came out and said the  results from chromosome 11 were not like other primates and were consistent with each other, bears were the most likely source of contamination and several commentators had guessed that is what the chromosome 11 results came from with no more information than that.

 I do not call Igor Burtsev a hoaxer for repeating incorrect information. There is a distinction to be made there, as to whether the misinformation was innocently repeated but incorrect or was maliciously manufactured with intent to deceive. The latter is what is actually defined as a hoax.

Reference to the Russian sample as a "Yeti"is misleading and mistaken. The mistake evidently arises because Myra Shackley said these Russian reports sounded like the Tibetan "Yeti" reports. Actually, "Yeti" is a generic term and does include some reports which sound like the Russian reports, but also other reports which sond like Sasquatches and once again, other reports which sound like orangutan-like apes. The term "Yeti" can equally well be used for any of several kinds of bears. In any event, the term is inappropriate to use for any populations living in Central Siberia because it is non-native to the area and native to Tibet.

The Crazies included in Ketchum's studies were considered to be legitimate. I was given some of the hair samples supposedly from Fox at the Carter Farm: my samples were not analysed but sent away to the CFZ where the samples were discarded by mistake. I had heard that other samples tested out as 99.5% of modern Homo sapiens genetically but that the scientist who made the analysis at that point wanted all the glory for himself and so a dispute arose over proper credit. I was also told (through sources attributing the source as Igor Burtsev) that the DNA matched the DNA as taken from Khvit's tooth. I was quite happy with this result but it seems that this result was subsequently disputed also. I kept the documentation of these notices in my Yahoo Cryptozoology group Frontiers of Zoology. I became a sideline observer of Ketchum's study because I had a vested interest, and my interest was wholly in the DNA analysis and nothing to do with the stories told on the locations or anything else. The story was that Janice had tempted Fox to come close by offering him food and then snatched a handful of hairs off his arm when he came too close. Incidentally Robin Lynn is also a friend of mine on Facebook but Janice Carter has never spoken to me directlly, on facebook or anywhere else, she avoids me like the plague.

I still hold to the information as it was given to me that the Bigfoot DNA is 99.5% of modern human and that it matches the DNA from Russia. My personal conclusion was, as I have subsequently maintained, that Bigfoot was classifiable as Homo sapiens by the DNA, but had some rather obvious external differences, primarily in having a hairy coat. I recognise the fact that the information given me that the samples were 99.5% of modern human were also possibly  fraudulent but I have no independant reason to believe so other than the fact the hairs were said to have come from a Bigfoot. I was given this information via email and within the group Frontiers-of-Zoology, where the original messages remain, but I was never shown any hardcopy documentation (ie, published papers including the stated results)


 I do allow that there has been local mixing of Bigfoot and Human DNA over time and in different places, and that interbreeding does occur. I do not say that Bigfoot came about from crossing two completely different species with Proto-Bigfoots being the fathers and European females were the mothers, as Ketchum does. Rather I say that they were Homo sapiens (Hairy phase) all along, and interbreeding took place because we were the same species. And that is going by the common taxonomic practice of including Neanderthals and Heidelburgers as "Early Homo sapiens". Ketchum's estimate of protoBigfoots diverging perhaps a million years ago makes no difference because that is still in the Early Homo sapiens time range (this time being the early Heidelburgers sometimes called Homo antecessor) and I personally consider that two species become distinct only once they get beyond that million years of separation mark.

For a reminder: Loren Coleman and Patrick Huyghe's Field Guide To Bigfoot, Yeti, & Other Mystery Primates Worldwide  lists among the terrestrial higher primates covered in the guide the categories True Giant, Neo-Giant, Marked Hominid, Neandertal, Homo erectus, Protopygmy, Unknown Ape and Unknown Monkey. I would combine the first two in a general Giants category and leave off the Monkey category for the moment. The Homo erectus types are necessarily more comparable to Solo Men, and those are more likely another sapiens type than actually erectus. So those middle four categories are all Homo sapiens types and are not unknown animals, they are the same species as us! (The Unknown Apes are also mostly all varieties of orangutans, counting the ones outside of Africa only.)
http://www.amazon.com/Field-Bigfoot-Mystery-Primates-Worldwide/dp/0380802635
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/flawed_guide_to_bigfoot

And I reiterate: if Bigfoot (of the EASTERN US kind, which Coleman calls a Marked Hominid) is Homo sapiens, there is no reason to kill any of them to take any specimens. They are the same species as us. To kill one of them is still literally and legally murder. There are no big prizes to be earned, there is no new species and no new unknown species involved (This last statement is possibly even true of the NAPES, because they might be close enough to orangutans to be the same species: they could ALL be Apes Gone Wild from captivity)

Wednesday, 2 January 2013

Posting on Giant Bears

Posting on Giant Bears by Rephaim 23:

http://rephaim23.wordpress.com/2012/11/23/giant-bears-historic-and-ancient/

It is interesting that even though the skin of "Vetularctos" has been ruled out as a surviving Shortfaced bear at the Smithsonian (there was a real possibility of DNA contamination from regular brown bear skins stored together with it for several decades), there remain several reports of unusually large, unusually Short-faced bears killed in Alaska back in the earliers, and this article mentions several of those on the end.

Just to give you a sample, look at the reconstructions:



Wednesday, 26 December 2012

Bigfoot Evidence: Reply to the DNA Analysis


Ok, so it has been concluded that the species of origin that is the major contributor of nuclear and mitochondrial DNA in Justin Smeja's sample is a female black bear, Ursus americanus. The sample also yielded human mitochondrial DNA-- Justin Smeja's DNA. Even though the tissue sample was recovered 5 weeks after the shooting of the two Bigfoots, it was likely that the flesh could have belonged to other animals in the area, including bear or coyote. Many people, including myself hoped that the tissue would turn out to be an unknown primate of some sort. When Smeja returned to the scene to recover the body, the place was under a 3-4 feet of snow, and unfortunately, the tissue was all he was able recover. It was discovered on a slope near a tree stump a few yards from where he hid the juvenile's body.

Friday, 9 November 2012

Dr. Meldrum on Provo Canyon Video: 'very little to go on...hard to discern'

Dr. Meldrum on Provo Canyon Video: 'very little to go on...hard to discern'

From Phantoms and Monsters site Friday, November 09, 2012
http://networkedblogs.com/ExkPt





Jeffery Meldrum, an associate professor of anatomy and anthropology at Idaho State University, said there “is very little to go on,” to determine whether or not an actual sighting of Bigfoot took place.

“All we really have contextually is the account of the events by the eyewitnesses. I can relate to the emotions of the situation but it would be nice if they held their ground and waited just a little bit longer to capture more of the creature,” Meldrum said. “When it moves, it is really difficult to interpret. The glimpse is slippery. It is hard to discern.” - ABC News

Again...the original media account and telephone interview:
A Utah man camping in Provo Canyon caught sight of – what he claims – was a black creature in the woods.

The video’s description, named “Provo Canyon Bigfood Encounter?” on YouTube [LINK], says the man was camping near Squaw Peak and Little Rock Canyon Overlook when they saw deer up on the hill.

On their way up, the spotted what appeared to be a bear. But when “the monster stood up and looked right at us,” they fled.

“We had actually been standing there for awhile. We had thought it was a bear up to that point but when it stood up and looked at us it was just massive animal,” said the video’s uploader, who goes by the name Beard Card on YouTube. He did not want his real name to be made public.

“We don’t know what it was. I mean none of us really believe in Bigfoot but we’ve talked about it over and over again since then. It happened on Monday and all of us are positive that thing wasn’t a bear.” - Fox 13 Now
CARD: "But when it stood up and looked at us--and we assumed it was a bear up to that point--but, when it stood up and looked at us, it was this massive animal. We don't know what it was. I mean, none of us believe in Bigfoot, so. ...We've talked about it over and over again since Monday when it happened and all of us are positive that thing wasn't a bear."

ROTH: "You're not a Bigfoot guy?

CARD: "Nope...none of us have ever believed in that kind of thing."

ROTH: "So what do you think it was?"

CARD: "I don't know!...We don't know what it was...I don't know if Bigfoot exists or not but that was a huge animal."

NOTE: There have been 9 Class A & B reports of Bigfoot between 1982 and 2005 in the area within and around Provo Canyon according to the BFRO. I'm still not convinced that this was a hominid or Bigfoot-type creature, but the length of the arm and movement of the subject are very curious. A few more seconds of video may have determined what this really was...Lon

Rusty Wilson's Eighteen Pack of Bigfoot Campfire Stories
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Phantoms & Monsters: Cryptid Encounters
 
 
 
Now I'll just go on record and say what I have been saying ever since the footage just came out. It looks to me very much as if a heavily-coated human is squatting to usae the toilet at the onset. It is a black coat and when he is hunched down behind the trees is when he was mistaken for a bear. After a while he finishes, stands up and the shadow becomes dramatically broader. This is what makes me think he is wearing a coat: he throws the coat back so he can pull his pants up and fasten them again. After this is done, a human arm can clearly be made out to the right of the image area. The figure does not have very long arms nor any other identifying features except when he stands up, he looks really very broad in proportion. If anybody else has a better explanation I'd like to hear it.
 
Best Wishes, Dale D.