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Saturday, 22 June 2013

Argentinian+ Chilean NeoDinosaur, South American Apes + Chupabats

As recounted in a number of media articles from 2004, several different motorists driving along the main road linking Iquique and Arica, through the Atacama Desert, have reported witnessing an extraordinary bipedal creature over 6 ft tall[or long], with sharp teeth and three-toed footprints, which has been variously likened to a velociraptor or even a ‘dinosaur kangaroo’
In the words of one eyewitness, Hernan Cuevas: “A weird animal looking like a dinosaur with two legs and huge thighs crossed the road in front of my car”. Not surprisingly, the local authorities were, and remain, very puzzled.
This has also been called the local type of Chupacabras, elsewhere also compared to a reptilian kangaroo or a small dinosaur. The three-toed tracks incidentally turned out to be condor (vulture) tracks upon investigation in one specific instance. So we really don't have a good idea what the tracks of the reptilian creature are like.

Condor or Vulture tracks reported as "Chupacabras"
One of the 2002 press releases said that Cupacabras from the Atacama desert was "Los 'chupacabras' capturados medirían un metro y 20 centímetros de estatura, tendrían piernas de velocirraptor, su desplazamiento sería en zig-zag, contaría con rasgos humanoides en el rostro y su cuerpo se asemejaría a un mandril".[The captured Chupacabras stands 48 inches tall and has the hind legs like a Velociraptor, it runs a zigzag path, has humanoid features of the body (the arms?) and a face like a mandrill (Baboon-which is to say something like a dogs head but uglier)] NASA has denied any involvement and the event has been taken to be a hoax but based on descriptions of reports coming out of the area: so the overall description is probably close enough, but we need not insist on such details as the creatures' face resembling that of a mandrill.
The initial, uncirculated reports of the "Mountain Boomers" in the Southwest and Texas compared the creature's size and shape to this Charles R Knight reconstruction of an "Ornitholestes"

 
At the same time, reports of other creatures also being called Chupacabras are continuing in the area. There was and is a general confusion between the types.

More Chilean News items from the early 2000s:
http://paranormal.about.com/science/paranormal/library/blnews600.htm
 LIVE ONES?
• Chupacabra Eggs Found? Witnesses in Chile continued to come forward last
week with more about the reputed clash between Chilean Army troops and three
Chupacabras on or about May 9. Two witnesses claimed that the Chilean troops
returned with large eggs, which they reportedly obtained from a "nest" in
the Atacama Desert, not far from the Radomiro Tomic mine. According to the
newspaper La Cuarta, "Three specimens of Chupacabra, mythical creatures of
apelike characteristics who drink animal blood, were captured in northern
Chile by an expedition spearheaded by NASA and were taken back to the United
States, according to researchers of the subject. The president of the
Ovalvision Chile research group, Cristian Riffo, told La Cuarta that the
creatures were the result of genetic research by NASA using terrestrial
creatures and space entities. Several of the hybrid creatures escaped from a
secret base and propagated themselves in the southern United States, Mexico
and Puerto Rico where they were given the name Chupacabras. Riffo maintains
that in the Chilean case, the Chupacabras fled from the Atacama Desert where
where the U.S. agency is trying to replicate the conditions of a voyage to
the planet Mars. Chupacabra news is coming fast and furious from Chile. The
latest items include the following:

Between June 12 and June 15(2000?), residents of Maria Elena, a farm community 140
kilometers (84 miles) west of Calama, found mysterious clawed footprints in
the fields. "Identical to the footprints found at the (Radomiro Tomic) mine"
at the time of the reported capture, said radio talk show host Pablo
Aguilera, with the prints "highlighting their large shape and the sharpness
of the claws."

The newspaper Diario La Estrella reported, "Guards of a security company in
the sector claim to have witnessed a strange entity on the prowl, and while
they were unable to see it entirely, stated that it moved at considerable
speed."

An area resident, Miguel O., claimed that his nephew, who is in the Chilean
Army, was on guard duty at the Radomiro Tomic mine and saw one of the
creatures. "Between May 9 and May 11," Miguel O. said, his nephew "while
standing guard with his regiment, he had a chance to see a specimen of the
so-called Chupacabras and immediately called his superior. The strange
creature took prodigious leaps and bounds and, at one point, gave the
impression of floating on the air. He described it as 1.2 meters tall,
half-hairy and hunched over
 [This is perhaps the monkey or ape creature. The subsequently found eggs might not have been laid by the "Chupas" I this case, the creatures could have been gathering them up and eating them-DD]
" After gearing up, an army patrol went out into
the desert, Miguel said. "The most surprising thing is that the patrol
returned with several ‘eggs' found at the location where the creatures were
taken by surprise. He added that the patrol managed to kill two and capture
one, that the creatures were subsequently removed by NASA personnel from the
area." Commenting on Miguel O.'s statement, Pablo Aguilera, host of Radio
Pudahuel's morning show, said, "The hole discovered in the area could well
be a ‘nest' the creature was making to deposit its young." [Source: UFO
Roundup by Joseph Trainor]

THE RAMPAGE:
• Chupacabras Go on the Rampage in Chile. Less than three weeks after the
reported capture of three Chupacabras at the Radomiro Tomic mine nea Calama,
a new wave of Chupacabra incidents swept Chile. On June 4, 2000, during the
early morning hours, a Chupacabra slaughtered 14 chickens in a backyard in
Talcahuano, a port city five miles north of Concepcion, which was the site
of many Chuapcabra incidents during May. On June 7 at 4 a.m., another
Chupacabra attack took place in Concepcion while Julio Reyes and his wife,
Carmen Andrade, were still asleep. They suddenly heard a loud noise coming
from their home's backyard. "The light outside the henhouse was on," Carmen
said. "I saw the monster flapping his [bat?] wings fiercely while the hens were
crowing - something they never do at this time. That's when I saw the white
one running toward the back. Bobby [the family's terrier watchdog] came out
to take a look, but when he saw the back gate, through which the hens had
fled, he refused to follow and remained standing still." Around 7 a.m., the
couple discovered what had transpired. Their three hens and one rooster were
found dead, completely torn to shreds, as if they had been ripped open at
the chest cavity and scattered in a 33-foot radius. On June 9, at 11:45
a.m., a caller to Chile's Radio Pudahuel reported a recent Chupacabra attack
in the city of Antofagasta. Accordiung to the caller, he was asleep in his
bedroom, and the cat started making noises, waking him up. That's when they
saw the alleged Chupacabra. He says that when it saw them, the creature took
off at high speed. He says it destroyed their car and it killed the cat.
Afterward, the witness reportedly found deep scratches, "made by its claws,"
in the doors and fenders of his car. [Source: UFO Roundup by Joseph Trainor]

The claims continued and continued to grow more elaborate:
Excellent report. At the time I saw him completely. Today it is amazing of course see it again. Among the many theories I have similar data, but other sobering, to see if you can be of help, or more of the same. they metabolize the blood, that is these entities that consume the blood of animals. Like any predator draw their nutrients from there. 's kind of experimental animal, alien, of course, I agree that are made ​​by grises. Para that to see how human beings react to an ecological catastrophe, indicate some theories. weight these bugs, 55 kgs., height 1.20, color greyish, short coat volume, round head with 3 bump on the forehead, ears cat has legs or limbs with 3 fingers. Displacement: Advance of 8-10 meters. Every 10 meters, leaves a mark, I mean get jumps of 10 meters high, big eyes, small nose, no tail, hearing like a small dog. Arms like monkeys. Low frequency hearing, humanoid type figure as a mandrill, 3 fingers (plus thumb?) prehensile, intelligence of a child of seven years, fear of man, lemur vision, supports 18-degree cold, and up to 40 (Centigrade) degree heat, (Heavy fur) protection in their back, is hybrid, lives in trees, foliage or in caves in semi warm, defecates like sheep, your urine is strong as ammonia, in open ground reaches 60 kilometers per hour, has morph every two years, changes its structure, grows wings [the description has shifted to the bat reports], can fly. were paired, there are males and females, with adult males will grow three horns, works as rodent is active at night, it communicates with its space(?) for Low Power-frequency. As they arrived, there are theories that indicate that gray craft, which landed once in the Gran Chaco, Argentina, hence is north of chile despazaron were four ships, in the eyes of the salty, the other near Pucon, the other in ice fields and the last in the area of the Torres del Paine. And this part may sound fantastic but can not be ruled. Each ship brought 100 of these entities experimentation, leaving it in a systematic way along chile. There other theories that suggest that they are an experiment to see how the gray man(Alien) reacts to invasion a larger scale, this can be much but could not be excluded. During the year 2009-2010, could appear again. emit a low- utiizan frequency, which only animals and listen to paralyze or numb because instill fear. Some define it as an "biological entity extraterrestrial genetic hybrid" EGBEH. They are outsiders, not land, not man-made, are manufactured by the grays, like, well, abduct animals, they take, the cross, and the breed as a genetic hybrid form. This information is extracted from a conversation that once took place in a radio station in Santiago, and I can not remember someone did get me for years, do not know if it's true or not, but I think by now beside the point, what strikes me attention, at least those who study these topics are the small details.

Tocopilla, Chile. Date: June 18 of 2000. 12:00 AM.
Source: Miami UFO Center © 2006 sanchezocejov@bellsouth.net
 
The Eyewitnesses (Who preferred not to be identified by name but were interviewed on tape) were on the beach having a party (a cookout I presume) said the creature had long dark furry hair, long arms with hands below the knees, big round eyes, with a long snout and mouth shaped like an animal muzzle. The creature approached one of them making several guttural sounds, as if it was trying to communicate with the young man.(begging for food?) Moments later, it placed its right hand on the young man's left shoulder, leaving a green stain on his sweater, which they described as the same color as marine algae. The Bigfoot-like creature soon left, as it disappeared into the dark. (I do not find any UFO mentioned in the original report, presumably the artist just added that in)
In this case the "Bigfoot" bears a strong resemblance to the De Loys Ape in outline. 
 
Chilean Villagers Describe An Alleged Capture Of A Chupacabras
Source: Ovnivision Chile. Bulletin dated January 26, 2011     
 
Chilean law enforcement agencies have conducted an apparent successful operation to capture the legendary chupacabras creature in the small village of Huasco, Third Region of Chile.
 
Due to the constant animal deaths in the area, the community of Huasco had been very worried. Recent attacks on domestic animals have created panic and fear among local residents. Numerous reports of these attacks have prompted Customs officers of the area to conduct special operations in an effort to capture the so-called chupacabras. The purpose of the operation was to avoid new animal slaughters.
 
According to several eyewitnesses, police and customs officers were seen conducting searches and chasing an animal that was finally captured in a cave. "Local residents heard gunshots during the intense pursuit in the nearby village of O,Higgins, said Darwin Godoy, a local ufo and "chupacabras investigator.
 
Finally, the group of officers finished their search in a local cave, where they captured what appeared to be a strange giant bat. "According to descriptions, the creature was about 80 centimeters in height and it had a wingspan of approximately 1.7 meters, said Godoy. [ About 32 inches long with a wingspan of 5'8" which makes a good estimate for the Chupabat or Chonchon. The body of such a bat is a rounded mass perhaps a foot long.] 
 
The cave where the alleged capture took place is located near the thermoelectric power plant of Guacolda, just south of Huasco. Several of the eyewitnesses were employees of the electric power plant. Residents that live nearby the local cemetery also witnessed the operative.
 
Translation by Mario Andrade
Special thanks to Rodrigo Cuadra from T.O.C. Online Magazine



Friday, 15 March 2013

Another Ameranthropoides loysi?

I came upon the following tattoo design while browsing and I thought of the following comparison. The Tainos are Arawaks in the Caribbean area but they ultimately came from South America and the tattoo pattern could easily have originated in Colombia

Friday, 13 May 2011

REPOST: DALE DRINNON: The Sisimite (Tzitzimitl) On CFZ




[Aztec Ape, Logo from Modern Merchandising on T-Shirts and so on]





Sunday, July 11, 2010
DALE DRINNON: The Sisimite (Tzitzimitl)
The Sisimite is equally well known in Belize, Guatemala, Honduras and in parts of southern Mexico's tropical forests.

The Sisimite or "guardian of the forest" is best described as a large, hairy gorilla or apelike creature; It has no verbal communication that is known and according to reports, is a rather malevolent or evil primate (unlike sasquatch but similar to the mythical African gorilla of old) who would kill humans of the same sex and abduct and rape those of the opposite sex, which is not unlike current behavior patterns of male orangutans (A male orangutan at Tanjung Putting Reserve in Indonesian Borneo once raped the female cook for Birute Galdikas on a banana tree stand during feeding time.)

The Sissimito or Sisimictli, according to folklore, is said to have four fingers and no thumbs, and sometimes his feet are said to point backwards, two anatomical oddities that are also attributed to the much smaller and very rare El Duende in some parts of Belize. Both creatures are believed to live in caves deep in the high bush country, which is the Belizean term for virgin montane tropical forest. (This is information printed in Rabinowitz, Alan 1986, Jaguar, Struggle and Triumph in the Jungles of Belize) As a matter of fact, Duende, the Spanish name, is used for the smaller "Sisemite" as referred to by the natives: the dwarf cowboy with a big hat is the Spanish and not the native conception.

The Sisimite is possibly related to the mystery primate reported in and around the mouth of the Orinoco River in Venezuela and the Guiana Highlands, South America. Heuvelmans refers to statues of such unknown apes in Colombia in his book On the Track of Unknown Animals.

In Buckskin Joe, Edward Jonathan Hoyt reported an encounter he had in 1898 in Honduras. A large, apelike creature, about 5 feet tall, crawled over the end of his bunk. Hoyt killed the animal, which resembled a hairy human (Green Sasquiatch 1978, p.133)








[Olmec Sculpture Reminiscent of a Gorilla. There are many parallel depictions in stone, some at a very large size]

Geologist Wendell Skousen said the people of Cubulco in Baja Verapaz reported: "There lives in the mountains very big, wild men, completely clothed in short, thick, brown, hairy fur, with no necks, small eyes, long arms and huge hands. They leave footprints twice the size of a man's" Several persons said that the sisimite had chased them down mountain sides. Skousen thought the creatures, which he indicated traveled on two legs and sometimes on all four, might have been bears. However, upon questioning the natives carefully, he wrote: "it looked like a bear, but it wasn't from the description that they gave - no conspicuous snout and no ears" (Sanderson Abominable Snowmen 1961, p. 159).

Anthropologist Michael Howard notes in Kekchi Religious Beliefs and Lore Regarding the Jungle (National Studies, 1974,Vol. 3[2]: 34 - 49) that the. Kekchi Maya of southern Belize's Toledo District recognize three main classes of forest denizens. First were the major deities, led by tzultacah, a sky/earth, water/forest god; and next, a class of lesser local spirits and personified beings. Finally there are "various animals which are often considered to be in a close relationship with tzultacah, such as the sissimito and other more average animals like the mountain cow [tapir] and tiger [jaguar]." Thus, the Sisimite is clearly viewed as a rare animal, not a super natural being.

Similar creatures are reported in Guatemala, where it has been said, they kidnap women and children (Sanderson 1961, pp. 161-162)

The bulk of this is From Forbidden Archaeology: The Hidden History of the Human Race, Michael A. Cremo and Richard L. Thompson (Bhaktivedanta Book Publishing, 1996). Here are some other snippets from the internet that I found on the subject:

Posted on Bigfoot Forums Jan 5 2010:

This one is similar to the legends I posted before, but this one belongs to the Paya indians of Honduras.
"It exist among the Payas, the belief on the sisimite or cicemite, which also have the "ladinos" [spanish speaking people] and other indians from the Mosquitia [region]. Nevertheless, the Payas had no name in their language for this fantastic people, and they have adopted the "spanish" name sisimite-há. which comes trom the mexican [nahuatl] tzitzimitl, "devil". It can be found just in the most inaccessible hills, it has a black color, and has the size and the shape of a short-size person, with very large feet and arms. It has the feet in an opposite direction, in relaton to the man feet, so when one looks his tracks, you think they belong to a person that is walking in the opposite direction. The indians also said, that when the Sisimite kills the persons he found from the same sex, but if he finds one person from the opposite sex, it takes it away into his cave".

The Paya Indians of Honduras, a enthographical, historical and linguistic study (in spanish, page 298)

I wonder, how does the tracks of orangutans look like? They bent their feet a lot when walking...
The feet are reversed, in relation with the human feet....(our feet is "right" and theirs is simply "wrong").
The description. Sanderson told that Sisimites were dark brown, but oversized[larger than human sized]. Here Sisimites are rather smaller...

Greetings.
K. Adam.
Guatemala


Posted Jan 19, 2010:

Hi Bigfoothunter6. I have posted a few tales that I have found about this legendary creature. Ivan T. Sanderson has a whole chapter on his book
Abominable Snowman, the legend comes to life.

They are based in a rather obscure old folk tale, from the native indians of Central America, which was widespread among some maya and other native tribes in central america. Most of the tales speak of peasants and villagers, that travelling in the woods, have met some kind of creature, a hairy devil with backward feet...which was a very scary apparition. It was considered supernatural and evil. It seems the people borrowed an old aztec word, "tzitzimitl", which was applied to all kind of ghosts, devils and scary apparitions of supernatural origin.

In some stories, this Sisimite could kidnap people. Male sisimites captured women, and female, man. In the legends, the Sisimite tried to procreate with these captured humans. They were described also as nocturnal animals, hairy giants, apelike characteristics and used to throw rocks to people, specially if they went through some canyons at night.

The word "tzitzimitl" is very old, it existed long before the spaniards conquered these lands around 1520-1540. So it is possible that the Sisimite legend became widespread during colonial times and that was based in older maya tales.

Some other people say that it was possible brought by african slaves, as an ancestral memory from gorillas and chimps in Africa.

Anyway, first anthropologists and ethnographers which studied the native mayan, belicean and hondurean mythology (19th century, beginning of 20th century) wrote about the sisimite legend, but was considered just another ghost from the maya spiritual world, an impossible animal (due to the backward feet).

But in this legend was something strange. Was it a legend, after all? The tale included several advices, for example, never to follow Sisimite tracks, to stay away from these creatures, because they were dangerous.
In the tales, people who actually saw a Sisimite became scared to death and got sick with fever...

Anyway, there are tales from the 1890s and from the beginning of the 20th century, from people which reported to have met these fabulous creature, and that got really scared. They described it as a hairy humanoid, some kind of gorilla, with terrible screams, which lived very deeply on the forest of very high on the mountains. There was a few tales of hunters and ranchers about this creature.

Then, the Sisimites (if they ever existed), their number dwindled and they weren't seen anymore. It the legends, it was told about ravines, or water springs, or rivers, where the Sisimite appeared, specially at night.

Anyway, the apparition left his imprint on Central american geography. There is actually, towns, hamlets, ravines and hills called "El Sisimite", so maybe the legend was not a tall tale at all...

Greetings.
K. Adam.
Guatemala 

http://lasvocesdelinfierno.blogspot.com/2008/06/el-sisimite.html





Este ser se registró hace años, fue visto por varias personas, sólo que todos eran personas de campo, pues es el sitio perfecto para este tipo de seres, muy misteriosos y escurridizos. Aún ahora se conoce del Sisimite.

El Sisimite es comparable al Bigfoot de los Estados Unidos o Yeti de los Himalayas. Claro, estando en un clima tropical es de esperarse que existan algunas diferencias.

El Sisimite también conocido con el nombre de Itacayo. Mando una recreación que se tiene de dicho ser:

Él se alimenta de frutas.

Se cuenta que uno de los departamentos de nuestro país llamado Danlí aparece al igual que el duende, sale en busca de jóvenes campesinas para robárselas.

El momento que aprovecha para efectuar la caza de las jóvenes es cuando se recoge el maíz de las milpas (cultivos de maíz). Valiéndose de que el maíz es muy alto se camufla y a gran velocidad y con gran destreza se lleva a su víctima a su cueva que no es de fácil acceso si es que se le encuentra.

Tiene gran fuerza y hace fuertes gruñidos como un mono aullador. Una vez que tiene a la joven se dice que la tiene para que le tenga sus hijos, embaraza a las jóvenes dando así a luz a una criatura mitad humano mitad bestia.

Se conoce todo esto pues que se sepa solamente una mujer logró escapar de las garras del Sisimite aunque esto le costó perder los engendros que había dado a luz con el grotesco ser.

Jóvenes, no salgan solas a los maizales pues puede que el Sisimite les esté observando y tramando cómo llevarlas a sus aposentos.

Folklore hondureño.
Honduraseducacional.com

[This being registered itself years ago, was seen by several people, only who all were people of field, because it is the perfect site for this type of beings, very mysterious and slippery. Still now he knows himself the Sisimite.

The Sisimite is comparable to the Bigfoot of the United States or Yeti of the Himalayas. Clearly, being in a tropical climate it is to hope that some differences exist.

The Sisimite also known with the name Itacayo. Control a recreation that is had of this being: He feeds himself on fruits.

One tells that one of the departments of our called country Danlí appears like the genie, leaves in search of young people farmers to rob them.

The moment that is useful to carry out the hunting of the young people is when the maize takes shelter of milpas (maize cultures). Being worth of which the maize is very high it camouflages and at a high speed and with great skill one takes to his victim to his cave that is not readily accessible if it is him.

It has great force and it makes [calls] like a howler monkey. Once it has the young person says it has that it so that it has his children to him, half embarrasses to the young people thus giving to light to a human creature half beast].

http://www.tarot-josnell.com/enigmas-misterios/honduras-leyendas-criaturas-misteriosas.htm







[Ozomatli, Aztec Small Monkey-Man, Possibly relatable to the more recent reports of the 'Dwendi' and the creature in the DeLoys Photograph. There is a facial resemblance to the creature in the photo]

















DUENDES Y CRIATURAS MISTERIOSAS DE HONDURAS
En las cuevas, selvas y montañas de Honduras, se encuentran las leyendas de innumerables criaturas fantasticas.

Personas que han recorrido este pais, acumulando historias folkloricas, tradiciones, que cuentan los aldeanos, nos han hecho conocer algunas de ellas.

EL SISIMITE

Se cuenta que el Sisimite, es similar a Yeti, el Pie Grande de Estados Unidos y Canada, pues aparece y desaparece misteriosamente.

Dicen que habita en cavernas casi inaccesibles, y deambula por las montañas mas altas, y come frutas silvestres.

Dicen que este monstruo, solian secuestrar mujeres, y llevarlas a esas cuevas en lo alto de las montañas.

Y de allí, nacieron hombres-mono.

Y tan veridica parece esta historia, que una mujer escapó de la cueva donde la tenía secuestrada un sisimite, aseverando la tradicion.

Porque la historia esta asevera que cuando ella huía, el sisimite, le mostraba los tres hijos a ella para lograr que vuelva. Esto sucedia a la vera de un rio. Y como la mujer no volvio, el sisimite, los tiro al rio, donde murieron.

Se asocio a los SISIMITES con el Dios Chac, de la cultura Maya.

Y en las paredes de unas cuevas, se encuentran huellas de las manos que dejaron los Sisimites.

[THE SISIMITE

The Sisimite is told that, is similar to Yeti, the Big Foot of the United States and Canada, because it appears and it disappears mysteriously.

They say that it lives in almost inaccessible caverns, and it rambles by high mountains but, and eats wild fruits.

They say that this monster, they solian to kidnap women, and to take them to those caves at the top of mountains.

And from there, they were born man-monkey.

And so truthful it seems this history, that a woman escaped of the cave had where kidnapped it sisimite, asserting the tradition.

Because history this asserts that when it fled, sisimite, showed the three children to him her to obtain that it returns. This sucedia to the side of a river. And like the woman not volvio, sisimite, them shot to the river, where they died.

I am associated to the SISIMITES with the God Chac, of the Mayan culture.

And in the caves, are tracks of the hand[-like footprints?] that were left by the Sisimites].

A long report about one of these "Forest Devils" is included in Secret Cities of Old South America by Harold T. Wilkins on pp 316-319 and quoting Dr. Thomas Gann in 1927. The report is included in Eberhart, Mysterious Creatures, and related to the Mapinguari of Brazil (as Wilkins also connects it) "The King Kong of the Araguaya of the Mato Grosso has his exact counterpart in Honduras, part of the old Empire of the Mayas..." Wilkins begins. The story had it that a half-caste black carrier had been torn to pieces by the creature.

"Accompanied by [Frank] Blaucaneaux, Gann trailed the strange monster's footsteps to a cave deep in the forest. Close to the mouth of the cave both men were brought up all standing. Sunk deeply in the soft clay were footprints almost exactly like the thumb and first fingers of a gigantic human hand. Each digit was armed with a great claw. Persistent efforts have been made to capture the beast but with no success..."

On one occasion, Blaucaneaux and "His black friend" saw the branches waving at the top of a tall tree and the black man said it was the "Debbil-Debbil".The bearer reluctantly agreed to go for a closer look, armed with a light rifle loaded with duck shot [!!] after a dreadful commotion in the brush with much screaming they found the bearer, with fuur finger-gouges across his torso, from which his entrails protruded at his belly. He was still alive enough to say the "Debbil" had ripped him up and then beat it for the bush. Subsequent questioning of the local Natives brought out the information that the "Forest Devil" was well known, it would attack lone women when it could, rip their clothes off and hurl them to the ground [assuming that the actual rape part of the story was left out by retellers of the tale] It was covered with long, stiff. black hairs Later, scratches or rub marks on trees five or six feet up with some examples of these long, stiff, black hairs sticking in the bark.

The most important thingabout the report is the description of the footprints as handlike but in a most peculiar fashion: they were partial tracks only. The apelike creature was walking on the rims of its feet, not with the soles flat to the ground. This indicates an arboreal ape. Great apes such as gorillas are ideed capable of ripping open a human's belly using no more than its ordinary fingernails backed up by brute strength. This is not a groundsloth if it was climbing high in the trees, nor is a tail ever mentioned. Its footprints are probably what are reported as "looking like the bottom of a bottle" in Brazil and the creature does share many features with the Mapinguari. But it is actually a Sisimite because the story about its raping women is also included. And that same myth about the creatures mating with humand is prevalent all over South America (and this has been used to discredit the DeLoys photo by innuendo-but it cannot have that specific application if it is a widespread Native myth) And again it is supposed to have only "Four fingers" (And a very reduced thumb?)

So it seems there is a large arboreal ape in the tropical forests of the New World, most likely a sort of large and dark-colored orangutan. It has large throat pouches which makes its calls louder by resonance, and it is most frequently compared to a very large tailless howler monkey. Then again there is also a smaller "sisemite" which is more like a siamang and would have been what Sanderson's informants were calling a "Dwendi"

Posted by Jon Downes at 3:07 AM 2 comments:
Dale Drinnon said...
Wilkins also says the ape is definitely known in Costa Rica but he does not give any name for it there. There is some confusion with the "Darien Wild Man" which has humanoid feet WITHOUT the opposed big toe: that would be something different and probably the same as the comparable Didi also without the opposed toe (The name Didi also refers to a kind of an ape with an opposed toe, but it walks with the whole sole flat on the ground. Eberhart says the two types are called "male and female" Didi tracks)

4:22 AM



SambuHauseDarienJungle said...
From SambuHause, Darien, Panama

Darien Bigfoot Account

White Indians of Darien” Richard Oglesby Marsh, Putnam, 1934

In 1920 while I was in Panama an old and experienced American prospector, Shea by name, came to me with a
strange story. He had just returned from a trip to southeastern Darien. With another American he had ascended
the Sambu River which enters the sea on the southern shore of San Miguel Bay. The country here was, and still
is, wholly unknown. Even the mountain range back from the coast did not appear on the maps. Shea and his
companion worked their way with great difficulty to the headwaters of the Sambu and there they became
separated. The other American has not been heard from since.

When Shea lost his companion, he lost his canoe and most of his equipment. So instead of attempting to return
down the Sambu, he decided to force his way to the Pacific across the Andean Range to the west. He reached
the divide in a state of exhaustion and by a stroke of luck stumbled on an old Indian dugout abandoned on the
bank of a small river running into Pinas Bay. It was nearly dark, so he camped for the night at a considerable
altitude not far from the divide.

All that night he heard the footsteps of a large animal in the jungle above his camp. And when dawn came, he
heard a curious chattering sound. He looked up and saw standing on top of the bank an animal which appeared
to his unscientific mind to be a cross between a negro and a gigantic ape. It was six feet tall, walked erect,
weighed possibly three hundred pounds and was covered with long black hair. It was glaring down at him and
chattering its teeth in rage.

Shea whipped out his revolver and shot it through the head. It tumbled down the bank and lay still beside his
canoe. When Shea recovered from his fright he measured the animal crudely. It was heavily built like a gorilla, but
the big toes on the feet were parallel with the other toes, as in a human being, not opposed like thumbs, as in all
other monkeys and great apes.

Unfortunately Shea was too exhausted to bring any part of the animal back to civilization. He barely managed to
get down to Pinas Bay on the Pacific and attract the attention of a coaster which took him to Panama more dead
than alive.

I saw him many times after that in the hospital where he eventually died of chronic malaria. Almost his last words
were a solemn oath that the story of the 'man-beast' was true.

Of course, my first reaction to this story was extreme skepticism. But I found to my surprise that many trustworthy
men who had penetrated into the little-known parts of tropical America did not share my disbelief.

The 'man-beast' is reported to have been seen in many locations.

A Spanish gold-hunting expedition in the seventeenth century reported that it had shot fourteen of them not far
from this same Pinas Bay.

The Indians from Equador to Nicaragua assert that the creatures inhabit isolated jungle-covered mountains, as
do the gorillas in Africa. Nothing will persuade an Indian to spend the night on such a peak.

When I returned to Washington and mentioned the matter to Dr. Hough of the Smithsonian, I did not get the
pitying smile I was expecting.

On the contrary he said he had been getting reports of this sort for twenty years and was inclined to believe there
was something in them.

Dr. Anthony of the New York Museum of Natural History has a story to tell of encountering a large unknown
animal near the summit of Mt. Tacarcuna on the Columbian border.

A Frenchman claims to have shot one in Equador.

5:21 PM

Friday, 25 February 2011

Ameranthropoides 3: Precolumbian Evidence

Several Archaeological finds represent creatures like Siamangs on the one hand or DeLoy's photo on the other. Here are a couple from the Hamlyn book South American Indian Mythology.




[Moche pot, Peru, With head resembling DeLoy's Photo. Not a Spidermonkey. Appears to be holding a sweet potato]



















[Gold Monkey from Colombia, Big Round "Sunface" mask removed. Body corresponds to description of Dwendi or Shiru, and matches proportions of a siamang standing upright.]






Best Wishes, Dale D.

Thursday, 24 February 2011

Ameranthropoides 2: Photo Demonstration

In the following comparisons, mostly the commoner, cropped version of DeLoy's photo shall be used. For reference and in a few special shots, the uncropped version will be preferable.




Commonly the DeLoy photograph will be placed alongside a photo of a spidermonkey to bring the similarities to the mind of the viewer. If the viewer is astute, however, it will become apparent that the details of the Spidermonkey's anatomy and DeLoy's ape are all different. In particular, the hands and feet are different enough to be diagnostic. Whatever DeLoy's ape is, it is NOT a spidermonkey.

[Image of an ordinary-sised spidermonkey to scale with standard petrol crate commonly used in Latin America, from the Wikipedia article on Ameranthropoides]



Ameranthropoides and spidermonkey reduced to the common scale of the crate for reference to BOTH of them]




The Ameranthropoides photo is often viewed uncritically and superficially. It is in some ways an odd photograph in that shadows can play tricks on it. Much is made of the presumed sexual organ that appears between the creature's legs. In fact this is a trick of the light and one of its edges is demonstrably the shadow of the stick. Furthermore, this area is only a highlighted part of the crate itself: the texture of the wood area on either side of the leg matches in two different strips (click on photo for larger view. Both textures are unmistakable and are identical for each sampled area in the corresponding boxes. The 'animal' ends much higher up than usually supposed and consequently it is seated with its rump further back than supposed).

[As is noted in Wikipedia, the area where the photo was taken is actually outside of Spidermonkey range. Most of Venezuela is without spidermonkeys]

Please notice hole in range map.


Despite what Sanderson says, spider monkeys do not have the same limb proportions as the creature in DeLoy's photo. Furthermore, it is readily apparent that the smaller monkeys have eyes of a different structure: "Beady little eyes" as opposed to the larger and more human-like eyes of the DeLoy ape. This is a function of ABSOLUTE size, showing that it actually IS much larger than a spider monkey. Furthermore, its fingers and toes are noticeably much larger and stronger in the creature in the photograph, while the fingers and toes of a spider monkey look almost flimsy in comparison. They also line up and work together rather like the digits in a seal's flippers, in a bundle.



As mentioned, spider monkeys are of the genus Ateles. They not only have thumbs that are commonly missing, but their big toes are reduced and often missing as well. They have a much greater development of a prehensile tail to compensate them for their weaker hands and feet.


[spider monkey, and skeleton]


Preserved museum spider monkey hand and skeletal hand


Thumbs of the Ameranthropoid. These are reduced but similar to the thumbs in siamangs and orangutans. The left hand is above, right below. Some argument might be made about the thumb on the left hand as it is not too clear, but the right hand is not only shown clearly, it also clearly has a thumb nail.

Feet of the Ameranthropoid. These are clearly NOT the feet of a spider monkey! Furthermore the muscular toes would be developed in the absence of a tail since in spider monkeys there is a trade-off in use of the feet and use of the prehensile tail. These feet with the well-developed big toe-thumbs are most like the feet of gibbons and siamangs.

left foot in profile, unaltered original below



Photo of right foot showing well-developed opposed big toe meant for strong grasping and climbing.


Museum preserved specimen of spider monkey showing foot, and view of skeleton. Big toe is much less developed and can be missing altogether.






Feet of a gibbon, standing on a pane of glass.

Obviously much more developed big toes, and other toes in opposition.





Face of the Ameranthropoid. What struck me immediately were its eyes; almost of a human design and proportion. These are not the eyes of a small monkey but are much more like the eyes of a gibbon or small ape.



The teeth are fortunately shown and they are orthognathous, with an even bite. And although the structure of the area around the eyes and even the structure of the nose resemble a spider monkey, in fact those features are not EXCLUSIVE to spider monkeys. In fact, Siamangs have features that are very similar also.



I was very much surprised to learn that the median strip on a siamang's nose can measure out as very nearly "Platyrhinne" like a New World monkey's nose. There is of course some degree of individual variation involved. And the area around the eyes is also like a siamang's in the DeLoys photo, as well as the pattern of hair growth on the top of the head (although shorter).


A spider monkey's teeth are not orthognathous but jut out to the front. The DeLoy animal does NOT have a spider monkey's teeth. Furthermore, the jaws are very definitely heavier and more rounded.



Spider monkey skull on the left; female siamang on the right. From Bone Clones. It's a pity they are not in closer parallel position for comparison, but it is plain to see that the spider monkey's jaws are like a set of small pinch pliers whereas the siamang's jaws are aligned for a stronger vertical bite.


 I am satisfied from what I can see of the teeth in the DeLoy photograph that the teeth are much the same as a siamang's and that combined with the shape of the hands and feet and face make a pretty strong case for a direct relationship as far as I am concerned.


Female Siamang with young


 
Male Siamang seated. Note the form of the hands and feet, including the thumbs.



Male Siamang walking. They are HABITUAL bipeds. They NORMALLY walk that way.






I have said before that I think Mapinguaris are basically orangutans that crossed the Bering straits in prehistoric times. I also think that the ancestors of siamangs went with them. The Ameranthropoides are not identical to the regular siamangs by a long way, but they are similar enough that they could be descended from the same ancestors. And although the creature in the DeLoy photograph is large even by siamang standards, the more usual size might well be closer to three feet tall. Indeed, both Sanderson and Coleman count the "protopygmy" Shirus and DiDis to be usually from three to five feet tall and described in terms such as might describe a siamang. I include a map of similar creatures as reported in South America.
Ameranthropoides loysi is NOT an UNKNOWN animal. It is an animal that was properly named and described in the 1920s. It is a DISPUTED animal, something which is quite a different category again.
Since then, people in South America continue to see Mono Grandes and they refer back to the photo saying "What I saw looked like that." I always refer back to that and say "That tells me there could be something to it." And then again, whenever somebody says that DeLoys photographed a spider monkey, I always say "Look at the FEET. Spider monkeys do NOT have feet anything like that."

 

Best Wishes, Dale D.

Ameranthropoides loysi 1- The Background









[De Loy's Photograph, Uncropped]













Ameranthropoides loysi

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ameranthropoides loysi (de Loys' Ape , Didi)
Creature, Grouping Cryptids
Sub grouping Hominid, primate
Data: First reported 1920
Country Colombia/Venezuela Border
Region Tarra River
Habitat Rainforest

"Ameranthropoides loysi" (De Loys' Ape) is allegedly a large primate encountered by François De Loys in South America. Apart from testimony of claimed eyewitnesses, the only evidence of the animal is one photograph.

Controversy continues about the authenticity of the animal, with critics contending that the de Loys' Ape is a hoax and that the photograph shows only a posed spider monkey carcass, though cryptozoology enthusiasts and a few others support the notion that Loys did indeed encounter an unknown primate

Encounter
François de Loys, a Swiss oil geologist, led an expedition from 1917 to 1920 to search for petroleum in an area along the border between Colombia and Venezuela, primarily near Lake Maracaibo. The expedition was unsuccessful, and furthermore suffered greatly due to disease and skirmishes with natives; of the 20 members of de Loys' group, only four survived.

According to de Loys' later report, in 1920, while camped near the Tarra River, two large creatures approached the group. Initially, de Loys thought they were bears, but then noted that they were monkey-like, holding onto shrubs and branches. The creatures – one male, one female – seemed angry, said de Loys, howling and gesturing, then defecating into their hands and flinging feces at the expedition. Fearing for their safety, the expedition shot and killed the male; the female then fled. De Loys and his companions recognized that they had encountered something unusual. The animal resembled a spider monkey, but was much larger: 1.57 meters tall (compared to the largest spider monkeys, which are just over a meter tall). De Loys counted 32 teeth (most New World monkeys have 36 teeth), and noted that the creature had no tail.

They posed the creature by seating it on a crate and propping a stick under its chin. After taking a single photograph, de Loys reported, they skinned the creature, intending to keep its hide and skull. Both items were later abandoned by the troubled expedition.

According to other reports, more photographs were taken but were lost either in a flood or during the capsizing of the scientists' boat.

Publication
After de Loys returned to Europe, he kept the story of the unidentified ape to himself until 1929. That year, his friend, the anthropologist George Montandon, was perusing de Loys's files, seeking information about South America's native tribes. Montandon discovered the photograph, and thought it to be very important. De Loys finally related his account in the Illustrated London News of June 15, 1929, and three scientific articles regarding the creature were published in French journals. Montandon suggested a scientific name name for the creature: Ameranthropoides loysi.

Controversy
After this publicity, de Loys' account was deemed unreliable by several critics, notably Sir Arthur Keith, a prominent anthropologist. Keith suggested de Loys was trying to pass off a normal spider monkey as something more exotic. The photograph did not clearly indicate the creature's size, and Keith also noted that by not photographing the creature's posterior, de Loys had left open the question of whether or not it had a tail.

According to the cryptozoological researcher, Ivan T. Sanderson, the particular area of South America in which de Loys allegedly found the ape has no reports of oversized hominids. Sanderson believes it to be nothing more than a spider monkey. He says of the mystery surrounding the ape, "it is an outright hoax, and an obnoxious one at that, being a deliberate deception."[1]

Another cryptozoologist, Loren Coleman, also supports the hoax theory, and even goes as far as to say that Montandon perpetrated it in order to support his views on human origin. Montandon had suggested the name Ameranthropoides loysi to propose that the specimen was a missing link ancestor of the Western Hemisphere's "red" people. He had previously stated that Africans evolved from gorillas and Asians from orangutans.[2] However, as researcher Richard Ravalli has pointed out, Coleman failed to point to any direct evidence of a hoax by either Montandon or de Loys.[3] Since then, research has come to light, noted on Coleman's blog, suggesting that the stump of a banana tree can be seen at the right side of the entire photograph. Bananas are not indigenous to South America, making their occurrence in the remote jungle highly implausible, thus making it probable that the photo was not shot at the location de Loys indicated.[4] This argument and other findings which strongly indicate a hoax, largely the result of Spanish-language work by Venezuelan scientists Bernardo Urbani and Angel Viloria, were essentially unknown to cryptozoology researchers prior to the summer of 2007. In 2009, Urbani and Viloria translated and published their findings in English.[5]
{These later arguments are largely valueless. Regardless of whether or not bananas are native to South America, they certainly grow there NOW-DD]





[Normal-sized Spidermonkey seated on one of the standard-sized Petrol crates for scale, from original Wikipedia article]


Others have argued that de Loys could have encountered an unknown creature. The crate the creature was posed on was similar to ones commonly used for transporting gasoline, which measured just under 18 inches tall. Assuming this crate was the common type, its size would appear to support de Loys' measurement of the creature, although others say the crate is only 15 inches tall and the ape would measure under 4 feet - smaller than de Loys' claims. Researcher Michael Shoemaker, while noting some similarities to spider monkeys, argues that the creature has a few pronounced differences: its chest and hands are different; its face is much more oval than the spider monkey's distinctively triangular visage; it lacks the spider monkey's pronounced underbite; and has a much higher forehead than spider monkeys.

See also
•Mono Grande
•Spider monkey
Sources
•Jerome Clark, Unexplained! 347 Strange Sightings, Incredible Occurrences, and Puzzling Physical Phenomena (Visible Ink Press, 1993).
•Bernard Heuvelmans, On The Track Of Unknown Animals (Hill and Wang, 1958).
•Michael Shoemaker, "The Mystery of Mono Grande", Strange Magazine, April 1991.
•Karl P.N. Shuker, Extraordinary Animals Revisited (CFZ Press, 2007).
•Bernardo Urbani and Angel L. Viloria, Ameranthropoides loysi Montandon 1929: the History of a Primatological Fraud / Ameranthropoides Loysi Montandon 1929: la historia de un fraude primatologico (Libros en Red, 2009).
1.^ De Loys' Ape - Unknown Hominid or Just a Hoax?
2.^ Newton, Michael (2005). "De Loys's Ape". Encyclopedia of Cryptozoology: A Global Guide. McFarland & Company, Inc.. pp. 128–129. ISBN 0-7864-2036-7.
3.^ Loren Coleman and El Mono Grande
4.^ De Loys' Well-Known Prank
5.^ http://www.amazon.com/Ameranthropoides-loysi-Montandon-1929-Primatological/dp/1597544450

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Mono Grande
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The Mono Grande (Spanish for "Large Monkey"), a large monkey-like creature, has been occasionally reported in South America. Such creatures are reported as being much larger than the commonly accepted new world monkeys. These accounts have received rather little publicity, and typically generated little or no interest from mainstream experts, but have received some notice in cryptozoology.