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Showing posts with label Orangutan. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Orangutan. Show all posts

Friday, 6 December 2013

Yowie and Eastern Bigfoot, the Solo connection

The article below refers to the Australian Yowies but the first illustration is a "Marked Hominid"-Which calls to mind the curious circumstance that the type specimen for Marked Hominind is a skull that has a braincase that resembles the so-called Solo Man of Java, a presumptive ancestor for Australia's Yowies. This skull is sometimes claimed as a late Homo erectus but is more usually considered the local counterpart to the Neanderthals. It also seems to be similar to the "Homo erectus" element detected in Latin America and spoken of by Austin Whittall.

Above, the normal-sized and larger (to giant-sized) Yowies, Wildmen and Bigfoot all seem to be basically similar to each other in Australia, in North America, and in fact all the way around the pacific. Below: this category also seems to have a smaller subtype that is generally comparable
 (But not necessarily identical to) the Flores Island "Hobbit" 
 
Ivan T. Sanderson in Abominable Snowmen, Legend Come to Life :
Even if we don't know where "sub-man" ends and "man" begins we do know that, quite apart from myth, legend, and folklore, there was once [and in some cases still seems to be] a group of not-quite-humans spread all over a vast area from Morocco to the Pacific, and from the southern border of Eurasia [which, incidentally seems to have remained the domain of the surviving Neanderthalers]..., southern Arabia, Ceylon, the East Indies, New Guinea, and the greater islands immediately beyond. Everywhere we go throughout this vast swath of the earth's surface we find traces of peoples so primitive that they are variously alleged to have been hairy, to have had tails [a mere profligacy, as we have explained], to dwell in trees, have had no proper language, be cannibals, lack fire and even tools, and generally to be "Those who lived in the land when our ancestors first came from …" Osman Hill has brought to light some exceedingly interesting facts about one of these races called the Nittaewo in Ceylon.
These little, mostly Pigmy, primitives that seem once to have inhabited the whole of the tropical belt of the old world, provide us with most suitable candidates for our Proto-Pigmy Class of ABSMs ... the Sedapa [and] Teh-lmas of the Orient. These little ones are alleged to be really very human in many respects and their footprints are as human as they can be. The facts that they are hairy and gibber do not, as we have seen, necessarily put them into any bestial class nor even out of the human. They could just be leftovers; the "Devil-Sakai" that can really use the trees as highways. If there really are such Proto-Pigmies in the New World, represented by the Dwendis and the Shirus, they must have traveled around the long way by the Bering Straits land-bridge at an early date, and become isolated. [There are also such Pygmies reported in Australia-DD]
And Earlier:
II. PROTO-PIGMIES (Orient,... and possibly Central and Northwest South America). Smaller than average humans, to tiny; clothed in thick black or red fur but with differentiated head-hair that usually forms a mane. Go about in pairs or family groups; wary but inquisitive; apparently a very primitive form of language; toes sub-equal and heels small or pointed; good tree-climbers and swimmers; tropical forests down to seashores and swamps; omnivorous, insect, fish, and small animal eaters plus fruits, leaves; very nervous. 
 [I am leaving the ones from Africa out of this for now since they seem to be something else-DD]
And then there are the more obviously bestial Sub Hominid (=Pongid)  types also present in Austraila:
IV. SUB-HOMINIDS (south central Eurasia—i.e....Himalayas, and [Central China]). In every way the least human. Somewhat larger than man-sized and much more sturdy, with short legs and long arms; clothed in long rather shaggy fur or hair, same length all over and not differentiated. Naked face and other parts[reddish brown to] jet black; bull-neck and small conical head with heavy brow-ridges; fanged canine teeth; can drop hands to ground and stand on knuckles like gorilla; ... color, dark brown; nocturnal and somewhat inquisitive; usually flees but may make simulated attacks if scared, and carry them through if the person gives ground and is alone; temperamental and bestial when aroused, being destructive like an ape; foot extremely un- or non-humanoid [Descroibed as "Handlike" with an opposed big toe] Omnivorous but with a preference for insects, snails, and small animals; will [occasionally also] kill larger game. Lone hunter and food collector; wide traveler like all carnivores.
And to all appearances the actually-Ape types in Austrailia are most likely to be displaced orangutans

 
 

The Australian Hairy Man, Australian Gorilla, Australian Bigfoot, Yahoo or Yowie

http://garyopit.com/yowie-bigfoot/
Big Hairy Man, Bigfoot, Yowie, Australian Bigfoot
This cryptozoological animal is an unknown species of hominin using both quadrupedal and bipedal perambulation to access its habitat. It is known in English as the Australian hairy man, Australian gorilla and yowie. Occasional descriptions and illustrations of it had appeared in newspapers, books and memoires from the early day of European settlement. Because specimens were not obtained, to be examined and classified by zoologists, and because so few reports were received of it, this remarkable species has been almost forgotten.
Consequently, it was almost completely unknown until Graham Joyner, interested in the history of science and employed as an archivist in Canberra, unearthed several references to yowies and yahoos in old documents and 19th century newspapers. He published a book The Hairy Man of South Eastern Australia in 1977, which contained 29 early references to the animal, dating from 1842 to 1935, listed some of the names that Aboriginal people used for it and succeeded in bringing it to the awareness of some members of the scientific community.
However, it remained unknown to the general-public until naturalist Rex Gilroy of Katoomba in the Blue Mountains behind Sydney began writing articles for newspapers and magazines in the 1970s, describing his research and requesting reports of observations into the animal. The name yowie was recorded by P. J. Gresser in his 1964 article entitled Manuscripts Relating Principally to the Aborigines of the Bathurst District in which he wrote that the Aborigines of south-eastern Australia, particularly the mountain tribes, feared “the Yahoo or Yowie … an animal of large proportions whose body was covered with masses of long hair…” (Gresser, 1964).
Hair samples, excellent footprints with detailed dermal ridges, photographs and video footage have been obtained. However, no bodies or skeletal remains, essential for identification, have been found.
Homo erectus and Homo palaeojavanicus have been found in Indonesia as million year old fossils, though Homo floresiensis fossils from Flores, on the Australian side of the Wallace Line, are only 13,000 years old.  Homo neanderthalensis is known from fossil evidence to have existed throughout Eurasia until about 28,000 years ago. The Australian, New Guinean and Solomon Island bigfoot and the much smaller njimbin / junjadee are most likely related to these species and may have reached these shores as survivors washed out to sea by tsunamis.
In May 1975 at the base of the Cougals, to the east of Springbrook, on the Queensland / New South Wales border, I heard the roaring voice of an unknown animal, which greatly surprised me. I knew the calls of every species and was amazed that I was hearing something completely unknown. It was a short series of loud distinctive roars that emanated from the rocky, steeply sloping cliff a hundred metres away. I attempted but was unable to climb the cliff from where the call came and then the call was repeated. It was most likely the warning roar of a yowie telling me that I was approaching its core territory, though at the time I was quite unable to imagine what kind of animal could produce such a powerful call and remain completely unknown to science.
A close encounter at 2 pm on 5 March 1978 at Best of all Lookouts on Springbrook by national park head ranger, Percy Window, was very interesting because he was a government employee and in charge of a large and popular national park. The witness was a work colleague of a friend of mine, John Duncan, who was able to relate to me a detailed description. A bipedal, gorilla-like primate standing 2.5 metres (8.2 feet) high was clearly observed in Antarctic Beech rainforest in good light from a distance of 4 metres (13 feet). It had a distinctive odor, a grunting voice, a body covered in long black hair, a flat, shiny-black face, large yellow eyes, a sagittal crest, and huge hands. Several other previous sightings on the same mountain and in surrounding districts were reported in local newspapers.
Then in June 1978 at 3 a.m., on a very quiet night with a full moon, I was awakened by a very powerful, continuously repeated roaring-bellowing call. The voice came from lowland subtropical rainforest in Joalah National Park on Tamborine Mountain 300 metres (984 feet) from our house at an altitude of 500 metres (1,640 feet).
The call was a deep-throated, booming “Yee-yee-yee-yee-yee” that continued without a break for 5 minutes. I could clearly hear the sounds being pumped out of a massive chest and the vocalization sounded more like a big primate call. After approximately 2 minutes, three dingos (Australian wild dogs) broke into their characteristic howling. Two of the dingos were approximately 80 metres (260 feet) to one side of the mysterious animal and the third was howling at a similar distance on the opposite side. The sound of these 4 animals in full cry was the most remarkable natural sound that I have ever heard. I was able to accurately judge the call of the unknown animal with the calls of the dingos that I regularly heard.
The yowie’s call was at least twice as loud as and much more powerful than the dingos and after their howling finished the yowie continued its repetitive bellowing for perhaps another minute. Then only the sound of Curtis Falls, Cedar Creek and the chirping of the crickets remained.
The next time I heard the calls of the yowie was at 3-30 a.m. on 1 June 1996 on the slopes of the Koonyum Range at an elevation of 200 metres (656 feet) at Main Arm in north-eastern NSW. I had walked outside for a view of the full moon illuminating a crystal clear night and heard 100 metres (328 feet) away, near a dry creek bed in eucalypt forest, a series of some 90 loud bark-like calls. The calls were always in a series of three, the middle call was always the loudest and it was followed each time by softer call “arroo-ARROO-arroo.”
The beginning of each of the three barks “ARR” was sudden and intense while the final “oo” portion was cut short as it fell off in volume. Between the sets of three barks, a time of about 5 or 6 seconds, a disturbingly strange soft gurgling call, “gu-gu-gu-gu,” could be heard. It continued with very little variation for about 5 minutes with the last couple of series of calls appearing less loud as if it had begun to move off. It was quite unlike the calls of foxes or barking deer that I had heard in Southeast Asia and once again had more of a primate feel to it. The next day I found 3 toe prints in the earth of a creek bank where it had climbed up the slope and each toe was about the same size as a human big toe, slightly reducing in size as if it were a right foot.
At dusk on 3 November 2008 in the Billinudgel Nature Reserve, Wooyung, I had a yowie, approach me to within 10 metres, as I was walking along a track in coastal bushland with a dense tea tree & sedge grass understorey. I was with my dog Banjo near my home when I heard something moving towards me through thick vegetation.
We could hear the gentle sound of a large body quietly pushing through the dense lower stratum of vegetation, 1 to 2 metre high and once every 30 to 40 seconds we could hear a loud crack sound as if two sticks had been hit together. As it drew closer, after 4 or 5 minutes, my dog suddenly gave a double warning bark. I hissed at him to be quiet.
I was surprised that it continued to approach us with the same sound of sticks being hit together. Then after another 4 or 5 minutes my dog suddenly barked a second time, and again I hissed at him to be quiet. This second bark also failed to deter the approaching animal & it continued to get closer with the same cracking of sticks for another 3 or 4 minutes. I had been carefully viewing through binoculars & saw a brown upright animal 1.5 m tall moving carefully parallel to the track I was on and about 6 metres away and then it moved quietly off.


Figure 14. Yowie researcher Pixie Byrnes is sitting in the position where she first obtained clear views of the yowie that she named ‘Humpty’, at 11.30 am on 10 March 2008. The male yowie squatted on the grass in the small clearing towards the top of the photograph before moving off. With Pixie sitting in the same position the next day at 12.30 pm ‘Humpty’ walked out of the trees towards her, and then turned away.
Pixie’s first encounter with a yowie was even more exciting. She states “I was in a paperbark tree lined creek bed, cooking potatoes and steak on a fire that I had made in the river sand, along a lovely shady bank. I never realized that I was not alone until a mob of dogs came rushing in on the other side of the creek only 15m or so away. Up popped a massive yowie from the long grass above the creek, I had no idea it was there at all. I climbed up into a paperbark tree with a pot lid in my hand. By the time I got up the tree I saw three dogs racing around and around this yowie and another dog was already in the yowie’s hand. It was holding it by the muzzle and head and it looked very dead in a very short time.
The yowie, holding on to the dead dog, flung it around at the other dogs and struck them over and over again until they were yelping. The next thing I saw was that those big ugly, horrible dogs ran away from the struggle with their hair all mattered and with the bristles on their backs standing upright. One of them seemed to have part of his face missing. Then the big dark-haired yowie turned and holding the dog in its hand, walked across the flat ground to a big tree. Then it flung the body up into a fork of a tree. The torso of the large golden dog or dingo seemed to be empty or crushed flat.”



Figure 15. A drawing of ‘Humpty,’ watching wild bush turkeys while holding three sticks in his right hand, by Yowie researcher Pixie Byrnes. This was drawn immediately after the encounter at 11.30 am on 10 March 2008.


Figure 16. A drawing of ‘Humpty’ sitting beside a water hole after having washed himself in the early morning during rainy weather, by yowie researcher Pixie Byrnes. This was drawn immediately after an encounter in March 2008.


Figure 17. Cryptozoological researcher and artist John Opit, 14 May 2012 at Limpinwood, examining a small rainforest tree which a yowie had torn open with its fingers to obtain the wood boring grubs. Two yowies had been heard giving their distinctive howling calls from this exact position within heavily vegetated undisturbed rainforest the night before. Yowies use their fingernails to rip the wood away and the result is more efficient and less destructive than the beak ripping employed by black cockatoos in more open forest.
John encountered a yowie nearby on his property at night in the forest and it ran off. His son Simeon saw a 6 foot tall black-furred yowie early one morning near the house.

Tuesday, 5 November 2013

New York photo of 'Orangutan'/'Bigfoot'

by | June 15, 2012 · 11:15 PM
 
http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2012/06/15/bigfoot-news-june-15-2012/

Bigfoot News June 15, 2012

Amazing new Bigfoot photo from Stanley Dingle. A new photo from Adirondacks State Park in New York by a guy named Stanley Dingle.
I have no idea who this guy is, but he has two new interesting photos up of what he says are Bigfoots. Does anybody know anything about him or his history? Does he have a history of hoaxing? He seems to have come onto the scene from out of nowhere. Some people think this photo is Photoshopped. I am not sure of that. But if that is a suit, it’s one of the best suits I have ever seen.


 
Here is what he wrote about it:
I returned to the area where I saw that mysterious animal and started to explore the area. After a few hours of wandering the area, I came to a brush covered hillside and saw this thing observing me. It was a much lighter color than the last animal I spotted with my son. It looked ape like, and I zoomed in and took a photo.
When it heard my camera sound, it backed into the brush, and I heard it crashing through the trees as it moved off. I think someone needs to get out here – at Adirondack state park.


Here is an enhanced version. People are saying this looks like an orangutan, but it looks nothing at all like an orangutan in any way whatsoever. Either a suit, Photoshop job, or a real Bigfoot.
Previously, he posted a very strange photo of a possible Bigfoot.
An extremely weird photo of a possible young Bigfoot on all fours in Adirondack Park in New York.

Here is what he wrote about it:
I’ve contacted the BFRO about this but have received no response. In February of this year, I was hiking with my son in Adirondack State Park. We were walking through quite thick brush when we came into a clearing. It was then that we noticed a dark shape crouched down near the tree line. At first we thought it was a bear, but as it started walking on all fours, I realized it was no bear and got a little spooked.
This thing was hairy, and I could see the muscle structure under the hair. My son was scared and urged us to leave. I quickly took out my cellphone and snapped a photo. It was then that this creature stood up on two legs and started to run the treeline bipedally. My son began to scream and panic, and so we hightailed it out of there.
I had no time to get any more photographs of the creature. We were truly terrified. I’ve never seen an animal run like this did on two legs. It could not have been a bear, as they cannot run like that. This thing walked on its knuckles when on all fours, like a gorilla. It then stood up like a man and ran, all hunched over.
One detail I noticed during the sighting was that it had something on its back, something hairy and grey. I got the impression that it was an infant. I have of course heard of Bigfoot, but I never believed such things, yet now I am sure that it must be this creature that we saw. I’m scared for people who go hiking up in that wilderness in case this creature is dangerous.
I feel sometimes people will think I am delusional. My wife thinks I am crazy in some way and will not believe that I photographed anything other than a bear. But I know what bears look like. This was no bear. I have attached the first photograph for your consideration.

I see that Robert Lindsay has said that this photo (these photos) look nothing like an orangutan to him. But they do look like an orangutan to me. And what is more the face in the main photo looks very similar to the Myakka Skunk Ape, which has been previously noted to look very much likec an orangutan(these Skunk Ape Pictures come from Facebook):



 

Wednesday, 30 October 2013

An Ohio Orangutan?



someone tell me what hell is this in a tree make it bigger circled yellow
 
 
 
The upper part very likely is not attached to the main "Body" part. But the main "Body" does look very much like the head and body of a young orangutan, up in a tree, with the long arms hidden in the leaves and branches. It looks like an arm is coming off at the right and holding onto the nearest tree trunk on that side. It seems to have drawn up knees and a very definite orangutan face.
 



Wednesday, 5 June 2013

Yeti Portrait

 
Jay Michael Cooney commented on this illustration in a Facebook discussion group, saying it was a good representation of the Yeti. Indeed it looks very much like the descriptions given of the Yeti, but it shows the Little Yeti (Heuvelmans' le Petit Yeti) at the size of the larger Yeti (le Grand Yeti).
 It also does bear a good resemblance to my own reconstruction artwork, although in a more finished final piece of art. Once again, the name "Yeti" is completely vague and nondeterminative, and might be equally well applied to any number of unrelated things.

Monday, 3 June 2013

The Crypto Crew: Is This a Dead Yowie?

Is this a Dead Yowie?

Is this a photo of a dead yowie? I know this has been around a little while but I have not seen much said about it.
Here is about all I know about it

"Bigfoot found dead by Australian bush walker Jeff Watson he has released 1 of 5 photos taken "

  
Now is this big pile of hair a Yowie? I would guess it's not. If I remember correctly this was first posted on the bigfoot forums. I think this was first around in 2009 but not sure.

Pretty interesting ....would like to know for sure what it really is.

Thanks
~Tom~

http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2013/06/is-this-dead-yowie.html


This could be just about anything since all it looks like is a wad of raggedy hair. HOWEVER one creature which naturally has the look of a wad of raggedy hair is the orangutan. See Royalty-free stock image below:


Some Orangutans do have rather that yellowy-brown colouring, or it could be somewhat bleached out by the sun after death. And it seems as if you can see the long arm of an orangutan with the hand balled into a fist at the front of this photo, and possibly the head slumped over at right on top obscured by hair, presuming it is still in a seated position.

This is only one suggestion and any other suggestions are welcome.
I am told that currently some people are having trouble adding comments to this blog. Try again later if this is so.

Best Wishes, Dale D.

Friday, 17 May 2013

Algonquin Park Ape on Bizzare Zoology

 
A recent posting by Jay Cooney at Bizzare Zoology compared the screen capture of an Algonquin Park drive-by video purporting to show a kind of ape. Jay said it was a Bigfoot and that he thought the head matched the skull of a Paranthropus (Robust Australopithecine) I disagrred and said it was something more apelike (If it is indeed a live creature and not a mock-up of some sort)
 


Here is the panoramic view of the shot where the apelike figure appears, and below a cropping of it


 
My comment was that the image was much too blurry to be certain of anything, and we needed a face-on view to be comparable whereas we would need a profile shot of establish if it was a Paranthropus or not. A Paranthropus has a more vertical profile where a common ape has a protruding muzzle and prominent canines. And as a counter-proposal, I did the comparison with an ordinary ape, an orangutan, the lower one with a direct superimposition of the skull on the photo (The skull is still not quite at the proper size and it is a mite too large for the direct comparson)

 
Here is a reconstruction of a Miocene Sivapithecine together with a reconstruction
 of the fossil skull (which was partial) Below is the Canadian "ape face" again 
                 
Although it is difficult to make out I think I the lower face definitely has
 a more elongated muzzle than a Paranthropus would have. 
 
Jay also suggested that it was the samne as the Western Sasquatch
 such as is shown in the Patterson-Gimlin film   

 
A direct comparison shows that this Wood Ape from Canada has a smaller head
more pinched-in shoulders and much longer arms than 'Patty' has;

 
While by the same token, Patty is  bigger and more heavily built than the Paranthropus, but once again a smaller head and longer arms, and is intermediate to the regular ape proportions in that.

 
In comparison to the Paranthropus , the Algonquin Park Wood Ape shows these
 same features in an even more exaggerated sense. Head much smaller and arms longer still.

 
And so I did a series of comparisons to more mundane apes.
First a chimpanzee:

 
Then a comparison to a gorilla:
 (The head seems closest here)

 
And then to the orangutan.
All in all I think the orangutan wins out because the overall
 appearance is most similar, and especially the limb proportions are most similar.


Here is the source, from the Time-Life Nature Library book Evolution (the appendix)



And a comparison of the apes in general. I noted when I included this Harry Wilson Deviant Art illustration earlier that the Ufiti is in the Bili Ape size range and that the West African Bonobo is still an "Unknown animal"-classification of apes into species is still uncertain and cointroversial.

Here is the source video from YouTube. I believe Jay got his information about this from Bigfoot Evidence.



Tuesday, 7 May 2013

Early Forerunners of The Mapinguari


I had mentioned this matter on several occasions before but now is a good time to remark upon the specifics. A strange creature appears in the Piri Reis map in the area which we known today as the Guianas and NE Brazil in South America:


And this version comes from Austin Whittall's site Paragonian Monsters.

In fact it is a well-known allegation that there were such creatures in this area from the time of the discovery of America and on: Sir Walter Rayleigh mentioned them as living in the area of the Guianas. This reference is taken as an early reference to the legendary apes of South America, the Mono Rey.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blemmyes_(legendary_creatures)

Blemmyes (legendary creatures)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For the non-legendary tribe see Blemmyes.

Blemmyea, 1544 woodcut in the Cosmographia by Sebastian Münster.
The Blemmyes (Latin Blemmyae) was a tribe which became fictionalized as a race of creatures believed to be acephalous (headless) monsters who had eyes and mouths on their chest. Pliny the Elder writes of them that Blemmyes traduntur capita abesse, ore et oculis pectore adfixis ("It is said that the Blemmyes have no heads, and that their mouth and eyes are put in their chests"). The Blemmyes were said to live in Africa, in Nubia, Kush, or Ethiopia, generally south of Egypt.
Some authors derive the story of the Blemmyes from this, that their heads were hid between their shoulders, by hoisting those up to an extravagant height. Samuel Bochart derives the word Blemmyes from two Hebrew terms, one a negation, the other meaning "brain", implying that the Blemmyes were people without brains.[1]

In literature

To the west of Caroli are divers nations of Cannibals, and of those Ewaipanoma without heads. ---Sir Walter Raleigh, The Discovery of Guiana.
And of the Cannibals that each other eat, The Anthropophagi, and men whose heads Do grow beneath their shoulders. ---Shakespeare, Othello (circa 1603).
.....[Wikipedia quote discontinued]

--and it is not a new idea that their appearance as described is a reference to the anthropoid apes whose heads hang down below their shoulders: in Africa, the description probably originally applied to Chimpanzees and the trait mistakenly attributed to a real human tribe in Traveler's tales (The real tribe is the subject of a second artivcle at Wikipedia.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blemmyes

Some of the Blemmyes were also said to be Cyclopses, and the ones in the orient are possibly derived from descriptions of orangutans:
Alexander_encounters_the_Blemmyae_-_British_Library_Royal_MS_20_B_xx_f53r_(detail)
 
 
And in this case the long "skirt of hair" which sweeps the ground is also suggestive, albeit such hair should be all over the body if it were a real orangutan. The description of the orangutan as a cyclops also occurs of description of the Muwas (means orangutan) and Kafre in the Philippines.Some of the Blemmye are depicted as covered all over in body hair, and sometimes to have hooves for feet.

The point that I have always made was that the description of the Blemmye matches the Mapinguari, sometimes also including the single-footed feature of the Sciapods as well.



http://frontiersofzoology.blogspot.com/2011/02/looking-at-mapinguari-cfz-blog-2009.html

So that Mapinguaris have been described in that traditional form since the latest 1400s and the early 1500s.


http://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/mavruda/cryptidia-mapinguari

Now as a matter of fact there are also several precolumbian statues from Colombia that have been described as "Apelike" or "Gorilla-like" and which could also be attempts to show the same original creature (Heuvelmans suggests this but does not illustrate any of the staues)




The overal effect is quite different but it is easy enough to pick out individual apelike features- long arms, short legs, hands held cupped in a "Knuckle-walking" position, fanged canines, flat nose, brow ridge and circular eyes staring straight ahead-but the apelike appearance is usually disputed by the experts. The possibility does at least continue that these are meant to be real representations of real apelike creatures, hence relatable to the Mapinguari.