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Monday, 26 March 2012

Was a Mokele-mbembe killed at Lake Tele?

Was a Mokele-mbembe killed at Lake Tele?
http://www.anomalist.com/reports/mokele.html


by William Gibbons*
I can confirm that at least two of the pygmies who were directly involved in the killing of a Mokele-mbembe at Lake Tele about three decades ago were acquainted on a personal level with missionary pastor Eugene P. Thomas. I have discussed this incident with Pastor Thomas, and he was able to confirm most of the details of the story which follows.

Around 1960, the forest dwelling pygmies of the Lake Tele region (the Bangombe tribe), fished daily in the lake near the Molibos, or water channels situated at the north end of the lake. These channels merge with the swamps, and were used by Mokele-mbembes to enter the lake where they would browse on the vegetation. This daily excursion into the lake by the animals disrupted the pygmies fishing activities. Eventually, the pygmies decided to erect a stake barrier across the molibo in order to prevent the animals from entering the lake.

When two of the animals were observed attempting to break through the barrier, the pygmies speared one of the animals to death and later cut it into pieces. This task apparently took several days due to the size of the animal, which was described as being bigger than a forest elephant with a long neck, a small snake-like or lizard-like head, which was decorated with a comb-like frill. The pygmy spearmen also described a long, flexible tail, a smooth, reddish-brown skin and four stubby, but powerful legs with clawed toes. Pastor Thomas also mentioned that the two pygmies mimicked the cry of the animal as it was being attacked and speared.

Later, a victory feast was held, during which parts of the animal were cooked and eaten. However, those who participated in the feast eventually died, either from food poisoning or from natural causes. It should be noted that pygmies rarely live beyond 35, and pygmy women give birth from aged 12. I also believe that the mythification (magical powers, etc) surrounding Mokele-mbembes began with this incident.

During my first expedition in 1985, we met with several eyewitnesses who have observed Mokele-mbembes in the Sangha and Likouala aux Herbes Rivers. Our pygmy informants also mentioned that there was at least two Mokele-mbembes still living in the Lake Tele vicinity, but they were simply too afraid to take us to a precise location where we could actually film and observe a specimen of Mokele-mbembe, due to their superstitious beliefs surrounding the animals and fear of reprisals from the Boha villagers who are regarded as the owners of the lake. The Boha villagers are also familiar with areas in the river and swamps where we can observe these animals for ourselves. However, the general belief that speaking of Mokele-membes to white outsiders will result in great misfortune or death is fairly prevalent throughout the Likouala region. This presents huge problems in obtaining accurate and up-to-date information on Mokele-mbembes and other cryptids.

I should add that I am not convinced that Marcellin Agnagna, Rory Nugent, or Herman Regusters have observed Mokele-mbembes. During our two visits to the Congo, my colleagues and I were unable to locate a single one of the "dozens" of witnesses that allegedly observed Mokele-mbembes with the aforementioned explorers. Marcellin Agagna changed his story several times, and is now thought (by Roy Mackal) to have observed the giant African freshwater turtle, Trionyx triunguis. Herman Regusters and his wife Kia are the only individuals on his expedition to have observed a "long-necked member" travelling across Lake Tele, in spite of the fact that 28 other people were with them from the village of Boha. Rory Nugent's alleged Mokele-mbembe photos could be anything, although he may have seen "something" in the distance.


Trionyx triunguis
But Jose Bourges, the Congolese wildlife official who accompanied the 1988 Japanese expedition to the lake, reported that the entire expedition observed a large humped back of an animal, slowly moving along, as if foraging on the bottom of the lake, which is three meters deep at most. So the animals are still there, and I still want to find one!


*Bill Gibbons has conducted two major expeditions to the Congo, in 1985-6, and 1992, in search of the Mokele-mbembe. He conducted two other field investigations on the island of Mauritius in the southern Indian Ocean in 1990 and 1997, after two European visitors claimed Dodo sightings. Operation Congo III, and Project Dodo III are currently under development. He is currently pursuing a Ph.D. in Cultural Anthropology with Warnborough College, Oxford. [He got that degree-but Warnsborough college is in no way connected to Oxford University: it has unkindly been referred to as a diploma mill]


After considering the evidence on this, the most straightforeward and absolutely cold-blooded solution would be that the Pygmies killed a Water Monster that has been identified as a giant turtle, and the most of the description fits a giant turtle.It has the long neck, snakelike or lizardlike head, big round body and four short stumpy legs with clawed freet.  It is the short stumpy legs with clawed feet that are the clincher in the identification: that fits a turtle and not a Sauropod or any of the other candidates.The long tail and comb-like deciration on the head are confusions of the description which arise from the descriptions of other traditional water-monsters not distinguished the Mokele-mbembe. Going by the statement made by True Authority:

Mokele-mbembe is Lingala, and can mean a variety of things. The word is commonly defined as "One that stops the flow of rivers," but can also mean "one who eats the tops of palm trees," "monstrous animal," or even "half-God, half-beast." Mokele-mbembe is also used as a generic term to refer to other animals like Emela-ntouka [a rhinoceros], Mbielu-mbielu-mbielu [a sort of crocodile], and Nguma-monene.[an elongated lizard, big snake or an unusual cobra]http://www.trueauthority.com/cryptozoology/mokele.htm
And so it seems there is a confusion to a very large degree inherant in the name used to cover these reports: it would not be very unusual for Pygmies' questions or answers confused in such a situation.
And although the flesh of these turtles is commonly eaten, some people have strong taboos against eating it (the Ancient Egyptians are included) and in some cases, turtles have been eating things that actually make their flesh poisonous to eat...a gourmet delight that can sometimes make you very sick if you eat it.
The shells of these turtles are supposed to be as much as 12 to 18 feet in diameter, and that would be a larger profile area than an elephant, and it is pretty certain these measurements are surely exaggerations.  But it is a belief that such turtles grow so large that gave rise to the story that these Pygmies actually killed and ate a gigantic softshelled turtle larger than an elephant, and the description reminded missionaries of a Sauropod dinosaur.


softshell-wikipedia-tinymen-to scale

--Best Wishes, Dale D.
Trionyx triunguis
Please see the older posting on this blog:
http://frontiersofzoology.blogspot.com/2011/04/titanic-turtles-of-tele.html

Tuesday, 29 November 2011

Crossover Posting on Giant Tortoises

Posting on Giant Tortoises just made at the Frontiers of Athropology. This problem has two aspects: a cultural one and a Cryptozoological one. Because of the cultural aspect I added it on the Anthropology blog, but people interested in the Cryptozoological aspect should also check it out. It contains a CFZ Reprint on the bottom with an updated comment to tie it in.
http://frontiers-of-anthropology.blogspot.com/2011/11/giant-turtle-that-bears-world-on-its.html

Best Wishes, Dale D.

Wednesday, 22 June 2011

VOID Sea-Serpent Category 4: Many-Finned or Cetacean Centipede




















Different Conceptions of the Cetacean Centipede. Heuvelmans' version is last.




While I have been busy with other matters and temporarily off the blog, I have also been getting a steady string of messages from the young person who asked me about the Sea Wolf and Sea Ape matter recently.

Dale,

I follow several blogs either on cryptozoology or featuring content on the subject. One of them is Cameron McCormick's blog, The Lord Geekington. I was recently going through the posts on his site when I came across two on the Many-Finned Sea-Serpent:

http://www.thelordgeekington.com/2010/01/return-of-many-finned.html

http://www.thelordgeekington.com/2010/01/many-finned-and-cladistics.html





The first lists all of the sightings listed by Heuvelmans and Coleman and Huyghe, and does a very good job of explaining most of the sightings. The second post basically shows that the Many-Finned reports end up belonging more with other categories than each other. I hope you will find these interesting.

Also, here are a couple links to photos showing how ordinary dolphins can become a many-finned sea-serpent.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dorstetguidedwalks/5542557545/



http://www.flickr.com/photos/danshill/4374946093/


























I especially like this photo, especially when compared to the St. Olaf sea-serpent, which Heuvelmans thought was a Many-Finned:








Oops. Maybe the Many-Finned I.D. was just a little off.... :) and this is why I prefer to call this type The Porpoise Parade.


This also brings me to the subject of the Along Bay Dragons. The main reason Heuvelmans believed it was Many-Finned was because of this:




[Con Rit carcass]
This stranding, of course, is basically worthless. Due to its age and its second/third-hand nature, we cannot take any stock in it. So much for having multiple fins. But then there was this sighting:











[Hanoi SS]

Heuvelmans's reasoning behind why it looked so different from the other dragons was that the poor lighting and poor health (?) of the creature distorted its image, and that the description of the back showed that the dragons had jointed armor (!) on their backs. And this is complete bullsh*t. It's the mental gymnastics that he himself scorned. It's quite obviously a turtle of some sort, and I have no idea why he didn't call it a Father-of-all-Turtles. Then again, it may simply be a misidentified known species of some sort.

[Lord Geekington suggests a Leatherback turtle but it could also represent a pair of leatherbacks, one showing the head and the other showing the body, turned at 90 degrees from each other.



The ridges on the body section in the drawing are an almost exact match for a Leatherback's shell in this orientation.



This could happen if two leatherbacks were at the surface preparing to mate or sliding away from each other after having mated, and the two of them together could easily span a distance of 20 feet or more. Or else it (they?) could still represent a larger Archelon-type turtle. It is probably significant that at least half a dozen Sea-serpent enthusiasts including myself have gone to that drawing and each said independantly "Turtle!" without any hesitation whatsoever]

However, I do take stock in the other "Dragon" reports. I would discount them as many-humped/wave sightings were it not for the fact that the humps were described as scaly and had saw-toothed ridges. Actually, this sketch from Australia matches quite closely to the descriptions from Along Bay:



It is of course a poor sketch, but it at least gives us an idea of what we're dealing with: a scaly, serpentine animal with a medium-length neck, which moves by undulating vertically and appears as two or three humps at the surface. This isn't really that outlandish, and I'm sure the humps would be rather lower than in the image. The range of sightings of this type is not too unreasonable either; they appear to range from the South China Sea down to the north coast of Australia. I leave you this category to evaluate as you wish.

Now, there is one more sighting type I want to ask you about, because it completely stumps me as to what could cause this. It is a feature commonly described in Caddy sightings: the humps of the creature appearing as like half a tire. I include these links to demonstrate (I tried to copy and paste the sketches, but for whatever reason my computer simply copies a screenshot of the page):

http://members.shaw.ca/caddyscan/2000present.html


http://members.shaw.ca/caddyscan/1999back.html

and two computer-generated images demonstrating the effect:














Some of the sketches are clearly either wakes or Long-necks. What I am interested in are the sightings which appear to show loops of a serpentine body coming clear out of the water. As far as I know, no known vertebrate has a spine that can undulate vertically and show more than two "humps" above water, let alone move the body clear out of the water in multiple coils. These sightings have me stumped and I want to know what your take is on these sightings.

Sincerely,
------------------------



{I shall refer to the "Half-tyre" sightings at the finish of this blog entry]

There is also the sequel email,

Thank you Dale.
The explanation for the half tires [That they are long necks] certainly does make sense. And I agree with you that the many-finned is not a valid category. Again, I prefer to call it the Porpoise Parade :)

However, I am still bothered by the description of the Along Bay dragons. I would dismiss them as many-humped sightings but they generally only appeared as maybe three humps and these were described as scaled and sarrated. I cannot decide if they belong in another category {if they are typical Longnecks] or if they reprsent a different creature altogether. The description if serpentine bodies doesn't match any other categories.





[Princess SS]


Also, I am rather uneasy about the Princess sighting. The description has little detail and the sketch is quite strange. On its own, the only thing that I can thing of resembling it would be a large cetacean surrounded by a pod of small sharks. Then again, it seems likely that McCormick's view is correct: it appears that it's a composite sketch, and im not sure it even depicts the sighting itself, but looks rather like an attempt at depicting the "creature" that was seen. Whatever it is, it seems to be the only sighting to depict a creature with many fins, and its complete singularity makes it difficult to put any stock in it.

Sincerely
---------------

It is also useful to see the two Lord Geekington Many-Finned Blog Entries together

http://www.thelordgeekington.com/2010_01_01_archive.html

As a matter of fact, I came upon Lord Geekington's blog entries early in 2010 and commented on them at the regular Yahoo group Frontiers of Zoology. The charts indicating cladistics are still on file in the photos section of that group.

My comments on the category of Many-Finned went public when that group opened up in 2006, although I had come to the conclusion several decades before. The 2010 CFZ yearbook printed a version of my suggested amendments to Cryptozoological checklists. Page 87 of the yearbook includes this information: [In my assessment], Four categories are extinguished as valid categories. These are:


VOID 1: "Classic Sea-Serpent"
VOID 2: "Waterhorses" (As opposed to Longnecked Sea-Serpents PLUS Merhorses)
VOID 3: "Dinosauria"
VOID 4: "The Great Sea Centipede"


Then going to the following explanatory text:

VOID 4:"The Great Sea Centipede" (Heuvelmans' "Cetioscolopendra" or "Many-Finned Sea-serpent" category) ALL of the reports [characteristic of] this category COULD well be mistaken views of ordinary finbacked animals in compacted arrangement. There is an additional problem in that there is a variance in proportionate widths per approximately similar lengths that can be as small as three feet but up to fifteen feet wide across the back [in different creatures estimated to be sixty feet long], a difference of the greatest estimate being five times the least measurement. this is a difference in the with being 1/20 of the length up to its being 1/4, obviously illustrating the difference of how closely the creatures are clustered together to create the appearance of a "Row of fins" effect. With this sort of a variability of the reports it is excusable to wonder at the accuracy of such statements as "Fins turned bfront to back". At least one of the possible Sea-serpent reports in Heuvelmans' collection is admittedly even more likely to be a small school of cetaceans (the HMS Narcissus report)

At the same time I clarified to my correspondant that none of the Along Bay series of reports fell into that category and that I counted them separately, including the mention that I thought the Hanoi SS was a turtle. So that basically we agreed on those points. Statistically the Along Bay reports fall in closely similar to the basic Longneck+Merhorse reports worldwide and when broken down into similar geographic areas for statistical analysis. I also mentioned that information from my Vietnamese informants specified that the male sea-serpent recognised locally as Thoung-Luong was recognisably a standard description of a maned "Merhorse"














Traditional Vietnamese Dragons Illustrating The Common Sea-Serpent traits. The blue one is a china water-jug.





One important case that deserves special treatment is the case of the Osborne Sea-serpent case of 1877.


















[Scientific American 14 July 1877 ]
The Sea Serpent Sighted from a Royal Yacht.


The Osborne, paddle royal yacht, Commander Hugh L. Pearson, which arrived at Portsmouth from the Mediterranean on Monday, June 11, has forwarded an official report to the Admiralty, through the Commander-in-Chief (Admiral Sir George Elliot, K.C.B.), respecting a sea monster which she encountered during her homeward voyage.
At about 5 o'clock in the afternoon of June 2, the sea being exceptionally calm, while the yacht was proceeding round the north coast of Sicily toward Cape Vito, the officer on the watch observed a long ridge of fins, each about 6 feet long, moving slowly along. He called for a telescope, and was at once joined by other officers. The Osborne was steaming westward at ten and a half knots an hour, and having a long passage before her, could not stay to make minute observations. The fins were progressing in a eastwardly direction, and as the vessel more nearly approached them, they were replaced by the foremost part of a gigantic monster. Its skin was, so far as it could be seen, altogether devoid of scales, appearing rather to resemble in sleekness that of a seal.
The head was bullet-shaped, with an elongated termination, being somewhat similar in form to that of a seal, and was about six feet in diameter. Its features were only seen by one officer, who described them as like those of an alligator. The neck was comparatively narrow, but so much of the body as could be seen, developed in form like that of a gigantic turtle, and from each side extended two fins, about fifteen feet in length, by which the monster paddled itself along after the fashion of a turtle. [The exposed length of head, neck and back was taken to be about 50-60 feet long]
The appearance of the monster is accounted for by a submarine volcano, which occurred north of Galita, in the Gulf of Tunis, about the middle of May, and was reported at the time by a steamer which was struck by a detached fragment of submarine rock. The disturbance below water, it is thought probable, may have driven up the monster from its "native element," as the site of the eruption is only one hundred miles from where it was reported to have been seen—Portsmouth (Eng.) Times.

-In my opinion the first drawing by the officers of the Osborne shows a pod of humpback whales bubble-feeding: the pointed objects would then be noses of the whales and not fins. It is my impression of the drawing that they are gathered around in an oviod or circular formation rather than in a line or two lines of "Triangles." When the Osborne got closer, one of the whales breeched at them, giving them a view of the large pectoral flippers. The view of the upper jaw coulsd well look like a longish head and neck as seen from behind, and the other descriptions as being bullet-shaped, seal-like from the back or having a face like an alligator would all fit. A humpback whale is also the only animal KNOWN to have 15-foot-long pectoral flippers. In which case the estimated length of 50-60 feet long is very close to reality and this is basically a very good set of observations. The sketches are rough and a little misleading, but that is normal in such cases.




























Views of humpback whales bubble-feeding in Alaska at top, and then two of humpbacks breeching: copyright owners have watermarks on the photos, The breeching whale with flippers down is seen from the top of the head, which is indeed shaped much like an alligator's head. The lower view shows just the nose-end looking like a "Seamonster" head and neck.




[Poonah SS]






[St Olaf SS]








[Interpretation of St Olaf SS by Pristichampsus on Deviant Art]





[Princess SS]





{Many-Finned SS as an Odontocete by Pristichampsus on Deviant Art,
Obviously influenced by the Princess SS sighting especially]










[Con Rit interpreted as an enormous Arthropod by Pristichampsus on Deviant Art]




For the information of readers who have not seen the material we are discussing,
The following is an extended quote from Coleman and Huyghe's The Field Guide to Lake Monsters, Sea Serpents and Other Mystery Denizens of the Deep.

Great Sea Centipede

Description:
This unique marine animal generally is quite large, 30 to 60 feet in length [to reportedly over 150], with a relatively thin neck. Its body may be segmented and displays lateral projections, plates, or fins that stick out prominently from its sides. This animal routinely sprouts what appears to be water vapor from its hairy nose or mouth area. This visible breath is one of the diagnostic features of this kind of Sea Serpent.

Zoologist Bernard Heuvelmans called this type the Many Finned, and noted that its many lateral fins and segmented, jointed armor of bony dermal plaques “were common among archaic whales.” The multiple finned structures have been reported in a variety of configurations, and Heuvelmans points out that the rigid nature of the animal may cause the fins to be seen from different angles when the animal turns radically. Because of the animal’s movement, therefore, these triangular fins can give an appearance of a massive jagged crest, when the cryptid is swimming on its side.

We have renamed Heuvelmans’ Many Finned, the Great Sea Centipede, which hacks back to the original—and more appropriate– original Roman name.

Range:
Heuvelmans said this type is found only in the belt of tropical and subtropical waters around the world, living in some of world’s warmest waters. A close study of the distribution of sightings of this distinctive creature appears to demonstrate a restricted range for this tropical marine animal, from south of Asia to Arabia, at 15 degrees north, to 15 degrees south near Madagascar, with only a few reports coming out of the normal range. A specific, well-documented population has historically been reported from the South China Sea off of the old Indochina, east to the Gulf of Aden. Reports from Madagascar to the south, and sightings in the Mediterranean Sea reinforce the restrictions of this type to the world’s warmer marine environs.

History:
The first modern discussion of these animals took place in the sixteenth-century work, L’Histoire entiere des poissons by the “Father of Ichthyology” Guillaume Rondelet. What he called the “cetacean centipede,” had “a multitude of feet,” the “oars with which it propels itself.” This cetacean, which was frequently seen in the Indies, stated Rondelet, was first described by Aelian (d. 230 A.D.) in his On the Nature of Animals (200 A.D.), as the “great sea-centipede.” Aeliad told how this animal sometimes beached and witnesses would describe the lobster-like tail and hairs of the large nostrils.
Though the legacy of the Great Sea Centipede is centered on the South China Sea, sightings in other parts of the world give hints of an earlier, more widespread, distribution of this type.
One detailed record of a sighting was noted by the Illustrated London News. It came in the form of a letter from Edmund J. Wheeler, who was quoting from the log book of his company’s ship, Princess, recently returned from China. When going around South Africa (latitude 34 degrees 56’ S, longitude 18 degrees 14’ E), Captain Tremearne saw a “large fish, with a head like a walrus, and twelve fins,” six on each side, a great tail, some 20-30 feet in length. It was sprouting something from its mouth. The Princess’ crew fired on it and felt they had hit it around the head. This all took place at 1 P.M. on July 8, 1856.
Commander Hugh L. Pearson, captain of the Royal Yacht and his Lieutenant W. P. Haynes, both of the H. M. S. Osborne, cited in an official report to the Admiralty, that they had seen a sea monster, but not one that was serpent-like, off Cape Vito, near the north coast of Sicily, on May 2, 1877. Remarkably, it displayed a long row of fins, over thirty feet long, which appear to have been seen sticking out from the side of the animal, rather than from the back, as Sea Serpents are sometimes described. This certainly appears to be the case, because when the gentlemen grew closer to the creature, it showed a head with a smoothness down its back “like a seal” and front flippers.
The next year, another sighting followed in which the witness told an investigator that what she saw looked exactly like what had been seen from the Osborne. In December 1878, an Englishwoman named Mrs. Turner was aboard the P & O liner Poonah anchored off Suez or Aden (she could not remember which), at the Gulf of Aden when saw her creature. She related her experience to Robert P. Greg, who subsequently wrote a letter to biologist Antoon Cornelis Oudemans. What she said she saw, a mere 150 feet away, was a strange animal motionless on the surface. Greg relayed that “She saw both the head and 7 or 8 fins of the back, all at the same time in a line. She cannot remember exactly how many dorsal fins there were, but they were large, slightly curved back and not all the same size…. The head looked 4-6 feet diameter, like a large tree trunk…. The color was nearly black like a whale. The whole length appeared considerable, perhaps as long as an ordinary tree, or moderate sized ship!”
But most of the sightings of the Great Sea Centipede are tied to Indochina, and the excellent records the French kept of sightings from 1890s through the early 1900s, as French and others ships were opening the markets off the South China Sea. A record of a stranding of one of these animals took place in 1883 (see descriptive case). Good sightings of sea-going unknowns with many fins occurred off of Indochina in 1893, 1896, 1898, 1902, 1903, 1904, and 1908. Sightings near Somalia occurred in 1923 and 1928, and near Madagascar in 1926. In the 1920s, A. Krempf, Director of the Oceanographic and Fisheries Service of Indo-China, formally considered these animals to be real and part of the zoological sphere to be described and collected. Heuvelmans’ view is that this Vietnamese cryptid is the prototype for the Oriental dragon.
More recent sightings are rare, but one report of a Sea Serpent seen by Chinese students in about 1968, near Hong Kong, suggests the continued existence of this type.

Candidate:
Dermal plating has been an evolutionary adaptation for aquatic environments, as it is to be found in certain fish groups, including the ancient fossil plated fish (Placodermi), and the present day examples of the sturgeon (Chondrostei), the seahorse (Teleostei), and the armored catfish (Teleostei, Loricariidae, Hypoptopoma). Even the coelacanth, of course, possesses a form of dermal plating that survives from 65 millions years ago. Having the body covered with an exoskeleton of horny epidermal scales with the addition sometimes of bony dermal plates, is the design of most reptiles (alligators, turtles, snakes). But did ancient whales have dermal plating? Convergent evolution could have produced some ancient whales with armored dermal plating.
Bernard Heuvelmans certainly thought so and designated this animal and its relatives, the Cetioscolopendra aeliani (“Aelian’s cetacean centipede”), linking it to the ancient whales – perhaps even the zeuglodons. One such a primitive, extinct whale (or zeuglodon) that Heuvelmans thought may have evolved a plated form was the Basilosaurus, an Archaeoceti whale from the Eocene epoch, 50 million of years ago. This snake-like whale had 44 teeth in its long jaws. It was about 65 ft (20 m) long, and had small hind legs and a reduced pelvis.
Heuvelmans noted that a few dermal scutes had been discovered in association with one basilosaur fossil, and some amorphous rounded lumps were found in associated with a fossil squalodont (a primitive toothed whale). Both finds were interpreted as evidence that primitive cetaceans were “armored.” However, in private correspondence in 2002, British paleontologist Darren Naish reports that the basilosaur scutes turned out to be from a leathery turtle and the squalodont “lumps” were either petrified wood or unidentifiable. No evidence of dermal plating, therefore, exists for cetaceans, extant or extinct.
Due to this lack of precedent, the rarity of good sightings, and their limited range, most cryptozoologists today feel that the Great Sea Centipede is one of the least likely of the Sea Serpent types...


The following is from George Eberhart’s Mysterious Creatures:

Con rít. Sea monster of the China Sea.
Etymology: Vietnamese (Austroasiatic) name for a millipede [centipede]with a toxic bite.
Physical description: Length, 60 feet. Dark brown above, light yellow below. Body composed of armored segments 2 feet long and 3 feet wide. A pair of thin appendages, 2 feet 4 inches long, is attached to each segment.
Distribution: Halong Bay, Vietnam.
Significant sighting: Tran Van Con and other Vietnamese found a carcass washed ashore at Hong Gai, Vietnam, around 1883. The head was gone, but the remainder was formed of odd segmented joints that rang like sheet metal when hit with a stick. It smelled so badly that it was towed out to sea.
Possible explanations:
(1) The backbone of a whale, though the vertebral structure should have been obvious and described in a different way.
(2) The caudal vertebrae of an Oarfish (Regalecus glesne). However, its bones are shaped differently and this fish generally only grows to 36 feet.
(3) Surviving archaic Basilosaurid whale, similar to those in Heuvelmans’s Multifinned sea monster category, which he theorized had armored plates. However, it’s now known that Basilosaurids were not armored.
(4) A surviving Sea scorpion (Class Eurypterida), a group of arthropods that flourished from the Ordovician to the Permian periods, 500–250 million years ago, had an abdomen divided into 12 segments, but no appendages were attached to them. In addition, they actually lived in brackish or fresh water instead of the open sea, and the largest one, a species of Pterygotus, only reached 16 feet in length.
(5) A giant crustacean of an unknown type, proposed by Karl Shuker. The carcass represents only the exoskeleton and limbs. However, the largest known living crustacean is the Japanese spider crab (Macrocheira kaempferi), which has a claw span of 10–12 feet but a body size not much over one foot—nowhere near the size of the Con rit.



[The largest known land Arthropod from fossils was the 6-foot-long Carboniferous millipede Arthropleura, which had the appearance of a tremendous elongated trilobite. Some of the discussion on some of the blogs tends to favor the idea that the Con Rit could be something like a gigantic marine Arthropleura. I need hardly point out that it would have to be supposedly ten times the length of the fossil form]























It is important to bear in mind that "Con Rit" only names the one very dessicated carcass in question and not the entire seies of sightings at Halong bay.Thus the champions of the invertebrate school are in a very precarious position indeed because the description very likely is only approximately correct and distorted after decades of memory. There is also the suggestion that this carcass was associated with other reports of vertebrae that were not whale vertebrae in a different one of Heuvelmans' footnotes.

I tend to the Oarfish expanation myself, with the body being very long exposed to the air and extremely dried out-basically a long strip of tough oarfish pemmican. It could thus have the proper consistency to be comparable to a crab's shell. The long crest would then be described as the filaments on the one side and there are a few corresponding long fins on the other side: it just needs enough to make the effect and it does not need complete rows of filaments on both sides. The tail end would then look like the diagram for the Con Rit carcass, as Eberhart states. The length of sixty feet would very likely be exaggerated and at any rate would only be approximate. The width is more likely to be correct, the segmented appearance because of the way the muscles are arranged along the sides. It would be a very old mummy when discovered, and sitting in the sun with the one side up for a long time. That would account for the top being darker and the bottom being lighter in colouration. And the vertebrae would look nothing like a whale's or a shark's when encountered separately.
















In answering the first message quoted above I indicated why a Longneck's neck might arch out of water while it was swimming. I also pointed to Heuvelmans that anything that floats that high out of the water in order to make the looped effect is most likely inflated with air and incapable of swimming IN the water: sea creatures need about the same specific gravity as water and thus they would ride lower in the water.

After I sent the reply another thought came to me, the illusion of a "Loop" could be due to an illusion caused by a wave in the water actually being made out of water. Artist's courses tell you to show a wave crashing on the shore with a lighter-coloured window in the wave where the light from the other side comes through. If you had a "String of buoys" seen from the side but caused by a standing wave effect, you might also get the illusion of multiple windows in them if the light were right. There wouldn't actually be any holes in the water but it might look as if there were. So my explanation would be that the witness is actually looking at the water and not realising it if they report a long "train of loops"

Tuesday, 19 April 2011

Titanic Turtles of Tele

Ndenki is spoken of as a truly tremendous freshwater turtle in parts of the Congo River drainage and especially around Lake Tele.This is another matter of some confusion in Cryptozoology. Some individual softshell turtles of the known, identified species can grow to quite enormous sizes. A pertinent example comes from Darren Naish's blog:

Anyway, Asia isn't the only continent with giant softshells. There are also giant African species (or one anyway: the African softshell Trionyx triunguis), and in an October 2009 post on the SA Reptiles discussion board, forum-user Herphabitat posted several photos of a huge, dead softshell he and colleagues discovered on a peninsula in the mouth of the Congo River. From a distance, they first assumed that the carcass was that of a dead sea turtle (perhaps a Leatherback Dermochelys coriacea). On discovering that it was a softshell, they assumed that it had died further up-river and had then been washed down to the edge of the Atlantic. However, this assumption isn't warranted, as T. triunguis inhabits brackish waters in places, and has even been captured 3 or 4 km out at sea (this was close to the mouth of the Gaboon River: Ernst & Barbour 1989). T. triunguis is a widespread softshell, occurring from coastal Turkey, Israel, Lebanon and Syria all the way west to the Atlantic coast of the Congo region.



As you can see from Herphabitat's photos, the animal was a pretty impressive beast (his photos of the animal's skull [one shown below] confirm, by the way, that it was indeed a T. triunguis). Its length along the curve of the carapace (known as the CCL, or curved carapace length) was 55 cm, and the total length was given as 106 cm. Its mass was estimated at over 60 kg. Very big indeed - and bigger than most measurements given in the turtle books. Ernst & Barbour (1989), for example, give a maximum length of 95 cm for this species. However, some sources give a maximum length of 112 cm. Again, I hope this brings home the point that softshells - which are relatively familiar turtles to many people - aren't all dinner-plate-sized or smaller; some are giants, among the largest of turtles.
















While we're here... it's been suggested that there might be monster examples of T. triunguis whose lengths well exceed 1 m. In his 1987 book on the mokele-mbembe, Roy Mackal wrote about the 'Ndendeki', a giant turtle of Lake Tele (and perhaps the surrounds) in the Congo. Local people didn't know much about it - other than that it was a turtle and that it was very large - but an estimated diameter of a ridiculous 4 or 5 m was suggested (Mackal 1987, p. 267). Mackal and his colleague Marcellin Agnagna both assumed that exaggeration had occurred, and that a more reasonable size might be about 2 m (this is for length [of the softshell carapace] and not diameter). That's still pretty incredible - though certainly not impossible - and really needs verification [adjacent Ndendeki reconstruction from Mackal (1987, p. 271)].



Anyway, full credit to Herphabitat for his excellent photos. Please visit the SA Reptiles post to see more images and more information. Thanks to Markus Bühler for bringing this to my attention.



http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2010/01/giant_african_softshells_-_wow.php



The latter link goes to the original article and it includes the statement:
"The boney part of the the carapace measured a CCL of 55cm and CCW of 54cm. The total length of the soft shell was CCL: 106cm"

Some confusion of the length of the gigantic turtles as stated by the Natives is probably the result of mismeasure again. In turtles, the overall length is not important to measure but the length of the shell is. In a softshelled turtle, it is entirely possible for the head and neck to stretch out as far again as the length of the shell: hence a turtle "Only" a meter and a half over the curve might be reported as three meters long overall (Which is evidently the allegation for really big ones both in Africa and in South Asia)
















Now for the part which I definitely wanted to get across: THIS IS NOT CRYPTOZOOLOGY. WE ARE IN ALL CASES STILL TALKING IN TERMS OF KNOWN SPECIES OF TURTLES ONLY!







Best Wishes, Dale D.