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Sunday, 8 December 2013

More Longneck Reconstruction Comparisons 2

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Traditionally the Water Horse is an animal found near the water that looks like a horse. It looks pretty much EXACTLY like a horse but a little "Off" or "Deformed" and it can have such features as "Devilish" cloven hooves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_Horse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelpie

The Water Horse from Wikipedia
It is my contention that the legend of the Water Horse was merely and Naturalistically a description of the moose (or elk in Europe) in suppost of this I have shown clear illustrations  of moose or elk from Scotland n the 700s and in the 1700s. It is also my contention that the symbolic "Pictish Beast" also shows a moose. Later on as the elk got rarer the stories took on more of a mystic and mythological slant, but reports of the creature continued in tradition on into modern times. At present there are some parts of the world where elk are still called "water horse" and "water cow"
 
 
 
The Long-necked Plesiosaur is a different creature and has a different mythology, as a "water Dragon", but more especially as a "sea serpent." It might seem that there is too great of a difference between the two for there to be any confusion, but in fact, a big moose has a body that is nearly comparable in size to a moderate-sized Plesiosaur such as the reports describe: 
 
But it is because we have a tradition in Cryptozoology that conflates the two, many authors have created a composite category for Freshwater monsters that they call Water Horses. Below is the illustration from Loren Coleman and Patrick Huyghe's book The Field Guide to Lake Monsters, Sea Serpents, and Other Mystery Denizens of the Deep(2003) under the heading "Water Horse":
 
(The female is supposed to be above and the male below)
However, the sizes given are extracted from sightings at sea (and they admittedly include accounts where the wake was not distinguished from the creature making the wake and so the estimated length as given is really the length of the wake in such estimates. In freshwater accounts the creatures are makedly smaller and Peter Costello's In Search of Lake Monsters suggests that the estimated length sould be shortened to up to 20 feet long for females and up to 30 feet long for males: Roy Mackal in The Monsters of Loch Ness similarly downsizes the size estimates to comparable lengths. These estimates for the length can be commonly downsized to 15 to 20 feet long as given by some authors and as specified in several sightings, especially those seen on land. At that point, the size estimates are low enough to plausibly be comparable to the sizes for elk or moose. Hence the comparison below. More importantly, the specifications of the head are that it is precisely the size and shape of a moose's head, and with several features specific to moose anatomy that are not found in seals.
 
 
 
In the case of Jay Cooney's Water horse illustration at Bizarre Zoology, the equivalent of Colemans' model  is  the creature in the artwork posted below:
 
 
The skull of the animal featured has some freatures which are shared with the skulls of moose and NOT with seals, and these include complete bony eye sockets and long low nostrils  projecting in front of where the teeth are (The front part of both jaws would be broken off). Both features are completely different from seals and in fact they ARE features as specified in the reports. The eyes are supposed to be situated high up on the head with definite bony sockets projecting around them, and the nostrils are at the tip of the long and overhanging snout, with the nostrils being very large and round when they are open. Furthermore this is the type of Sea serpent snout that is stated to have whiskers on it: this is stated by Pontoppidian and carried forward by Oudemans, who repeats him
(The Great Sea Serpent 1892, pages 135 for Pontoppidian and 141 for Oudemans)
 
 
 
 
This is essential the same comparison for Coleman's Water Horse and the moose as repeated for Cooney's version (The artist is Thomas Finlay, who does excellent work, and in this case he is merely illustrating what he has been told to illustrate) 
 
Below some of the characteristically mooselike features of the reports are pointed out, and this includes the ears and nostrils of an ungulate-basically belonging to a land animal and not well adapted to life at sea. The hump on the back at shoulders and hips is indicated, the upper parts of the limbs are alsi indicated, and the rear edge of the rear "Flipper" has the contour of the moose's hind leg": the end of the flipper also resembles a cloven hoof (Costello said "3-pronged" but he definitely included reports of cloven hooves when he said that) The tail is even somewhat indicative of a moose's tail and the "Beard" is indicated as part of the moustache when in the reports (such as in the case of Ogopogo) the beard definitely means the bell at the moose's throat. Several reports also include moose antlers, but most often the initial antler spikes in velvet.
 

 
As regards the length of the neck, the reconstruction which Cooney has is nowhere near as long as the reports Heuvelmans says are specifically Longnecks  but instead the length of the neck is comparable to the Merhorse category, which he considered to be separate. See the comparisons above and below
 
 
 
 
The length of the Longnecks neck is its most outstanding characteristic and it is comparably long in the presumably male Longnecked "Merhorse" (In the illustration below the mane is recognized as a fleshy material and it is called a "fin") In these cases, when the neck is in a vertical aspect to the water, the body is NOT stretched out horizontally behind it but it is presumably held at some angle approaching vertical in the water. In such cases the degree of underwater drag of the creature holding it in place relative to the wave action at surface is also noted "As if it was dragging a sea-anchor"
 
 
I have recently left some remarks pertaining to these matters at Jay Cooney's blog:
 

The portions underwater are inferable from indications at the surface and for the most part these proportions are consistent with one another over the past 250 years or more, and at scattered locations the whole world over, in many reports made independently from one another

 In this case the proportions of the Cuba Sea Serpent are compared to the general composite model. The Cuba SS was seen briefly all out of the water at one time when it breached.
 
Umfuli SS, after Captain Cringle

And I had also remarked that the proportions of the Umfuli SS wre also about the normal proportions with the head+ neck and the trunk each being about 15 feet long (NB some reproductions of the Captain's drawing also indicate specifically Plesiosaurian features of the head)

Cooney's model for Longnecks + Merhorses is compared below to the sections from the Cuba SS sighting specifically. This does not indicate the limbs although the witness noted that the creature's anatomy indicated where the foreflippers and hindflippers would be situated. I consider the neck profile drawn by the Captain in this case to be very much exemplary as showing the features of all the best and most accurate descriptions, and the head neck and body as shown to be well streamlined .


 
Below once again is my general-overall reconstruction identikit for the Longnecked Sea Serpents or Water Dragons generally, and with the specific Water Horse (Moose) reports subtracted. This is the outcome of several local statistical surveys based on In The Lake of The Sea Serpents and In Search of Lake Monsters done in the 1970s and I consider this model to be in good agreement with the creature models proposed by Dinsdale and Sanderson, and somewhat less to Gould's and Mackal's  versions of the Loch Ness Monsters and in the general ball park of agreeing with Oudemans' and Heuvelmans' models with allowances. When you get to the point of comparing Oudemans' and Heuvelmans' reconstructed models there are some very obvious conflicts in the reconstructions which are not in agreement with the reports and must needs be accounted for. This is all summarized from earlier blog postings which have discussed the matter before.

The tail is seen when diving and is then described as being divided into three  parts the third "Lobe" being the actual tail itself, or possibly only two "Prongs" will be reported" Costello has reports in either category and the "Snollygaster" (Among others) is also said to have this three-lobed tail.
 
 
 
 
And, just for good measure, here is that Plesiosaur illustration again, shown to scale with the Scottish version of the Master-Otter for scale
(Presumably the same as Burton's Monster otter. Illustration by Tim Morris on Deviant Art)

Tuesday, 12 November 2013

Sanderson SeaSerpents

 
In a discussion about the "Long necked seal" illustration posted at Jay Cooley's Bizzare Zoology site, artist Thomas Finlay made the remark that the Longnecked Sea Serpent was a creature that Cryptozoologist Ivan Sanderson had advocated as covering the larger part of Sea Serpent reports up through the 1940s ("Don't Scoff at Sea Monsters" reproduced following) Because the matter had come up I thought it was necessary to review what Sanderson had actually said.
 
It is to be emphasized that the drawing made by Finlay bears no resemblance to Sanderson's composite, which was by far the most Plesiosaurian looking Sea-serpent recontruction .
 

I slightly modified Sanderson's version of the 1918 Mackintosh Bell/Hoy Island sighting in the versions above because Sanderson had included a tail that was most certainly NOT a part of the original sighting. Just for purposes of comparison, I also included a scale with this creature as compared with a moose (the more usual "Water Horse" as reported all over Eurasia and North America)
 
The Figure 1 is reproduced below, I did not include Sanderson's redrawing of Oudemans' Sea Serpent model because I considered it to be inaccurate and misleading
 

I am going to enter in a copy of the following document but parts of the text were corrupted and did not transcribe well. In the case of the reports, they are all stock reports easily obtainable in most of the standard sources, but the gist of this is basically that Sanderson is going by Oudeman's model for the Great Sea Serpent but saying that the creature had a shorter tail. Basically, Sanderson was not offering a new theory but only offering a few modifications to the previous pronouncements by AC Oudemans in the only major systematic review monograph published to that date that had made an attempt to make a scientific description, .
Authors:
Sanderson, Ivan T.
Source:
Saturday Evening Post
Date:
1947
Publication Type:
Periodical
Subjects:
SEA monsters; ZOOLOGISTS; MYTHICAL animals; SEA lions; DEEP-sea animals; MARINE mammals
Abstract:
The article presents the accounts of those who witnessed sea serpents that were described by zoologists as animal species. Some of these incidents included the detection of sea monster in Norway known as kraken which belonged to the squid family, the existence of huge creatures in South Africa known as Latimeria which was later claimed by zoologist as a type of fish considered to be extinct, and the identification of sea lions.
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Dont Scoff at Sea Monsters

Saturday Evening Post, Ivan T Sanderson

ABOUT THE AUTHOR Few subjects have aroused more controversy—sonnc of it wonderfully acrimonious — than the possible existence of sea nionsters. Tbere is little concrete evidence lliat they livie but Ivan Sanderson has reviewed the findings and concludes that we had better not write lhem olTon that occount. reuder» huve mel Mr. Sanderson before. A recognized zoologist, he has contributed several arliclos to ihie magazine, tbe last being THE RIDDLE OF THE MAMMOTHS, which appeared December 7, 1946, He is the author of three widely read books on zoology and exploration, all of which were illustrated by himself. — The Editors

. Many reliable witnessess, includng preachers and scientists, have seen {incredible?} creatures rising from the deep. Analyzing a fascinating mystery, an expert presents evidenee that will make you wonder if this fuble is not a fantastic fact. hundreds of years, if not since the dawn of history, people have believed that there are great, unknown animals in tbe sea. These used to be called sea serpents, but are nowadays more popularly referred to as sea monsters. What is more, it can be sbown that a report of such a beast has come from some part of the world almost every year since 1800. In some years there have heen as many as balí a dozen, and they increase rather than diminish Ln number, so that the hody of eo-called evidence has now reached a point where even the august Encyclopaedia Britannica states: "When, however, all these and similar possihilities have been explored, tbere still remain a number of independent and apparently credible stories which are not satisfactorily explained." Such a statement challenges UB to inquire what these credihle stories might be tuid, on inquiry, they tum out to be amazing. One cannot hut feel a certain element of doubt and a not inconsiderahle sense of shock wben, upon setting out to exaniine tbese "credihle stories," we read a detailed statement made by a Capt. F. W. Dean, of tbe Royal Navy, on an incident that occurred on the moming of May 22, 1917, aboard the armed merchant cniiser, the Hilary, off Iceland, while maintaining the blockade between the Scottish coast and the Arctic iceline during World War I. This statement, duly signed and witnessed, may be read in any one of several books and articles on the subject. It states tbat at nine o'clock on a clear sunny moming, the officer of the watch reported to Captain Dean that tbere was sometbing moving off the starboard quarter. Upon examination through glasses, this was seen to be an animal, and tbe ship was turned toward it, passiog within thirty yards. Tbe whole crew observed it closely and estimated it to be at least sixty feet long and to have a long, slender neck, at least twenty feet in length, which it could tum in a semicircle. Its bead looked like that of a seal; it was slick and shiny, and bad a tall, triangular, flabby dorsal fin tbat turned over like "the tip of a terrier's ear wben cocked." Tbey used it as a target for antisubmarine guimery practice and ñnally "sank" it. Captain Dean, in answer to a very specific questionnaire, later stated tbat this creature could not have been any kind of wbaie or sbark; nor could it have been a giant ribbonfish— a species that is believed to grow to twenty feet in length. These are tbe usual explanations of such creatures. Thia case presents tbe most typical features o£ almost all reports of tbe supposed unknown sea animal—tbe seal-like head, the serpentine neck and the great size. These are important points, as we shall see presently, for they fly directly in the face of the most convincing explanations put forward by trained zoologists. If we dig back into the distant past of almost any race or people, we seldom fail to stumble upon some evidence of serpent worship, with its attendant mysteries and borrors so productive of rigid taboo and later of superstition and myth. Continental peoples beheved in monstrous snakes beyond their borders, wbile maritime peoples envisaged tbem in tbe sea. Thus it was only natural that tales of fabulous serpents, often with the bonifie attributes of dragons, dwelling in the deeps and occasionally coming up to pluck benigbted marinera from cranlty boats, grew up along most seaboards. About the sixteenth century, however, the precepts of modem science, founded on observation of fact and deduction therefrom, brought forth, among other things, tbe first real attempts to describe the animal life of the world. These early writings produced a quota of quite fabulouB nonsense and hearsay. Among the latter were descriptions of great sea serpents which took their places in seriously intended treatises on zoology as recognized animal species. They were described as being immense, scaly reptiles of prodigious dimensions that enveloped whole ships. Supported thus by the early fumblings of science, the ancient belief in tbe great sea serpent became still further fixed in tbe popular fancy. At the same time, however, it waa also instilled into scientific tbought, but for quite contrary reasons. These reasons only became apparent two centuries later, and were aa follows: As the faurfa of the woild was catalogued, it became obvious to Berious students of natural history, and subsequently to tbe public at large, tbat the old accounts of fabulous, lOOO-foot, marine serpents were but figments of our ancestral imagination. A gigantic reaction of wbolesale skepticism set in, which has risen like a tide until today, and which shows no signs of abating. Nor can tbe vahdity of this outlook be serioiisly questioned, for with airplanes and modem shipping crisscrossing every sea on tbe glohe almost daily, it is manifest tbat no such monatrouB reptileB can be. Thus science, not unreasonably, adopted the attitude that not only was the great sea serpent a fable hut also that any re- port of a large unknown animal in tbe sea, especially if described as snakelike, was either a hoax, a delusion, a lie or a case of mistaken identity. At the same time tbe public—tbat is, all persons otber tban zoologists, wbo might or might not know tbe difference between a whale, a seal, a shark and a ribbonfish—had only the mytb of tbe great sea serpent to fall back upon wben and if tbey saw something unknown to them in tbe sea. Thus we find tbat up till tbe middle of tbe nineteenth century nearly all reports start off witb tbe statement: "I saw a strange marine animal, that I believe to be a serpent"—vide, all affidavits collected around 1817 by the Linnaean Society, of Boston, from eyewitnesses to the famous unknown animal's visit to Gloucester harbor during that year. Skeptics, believers and ordinary folk who try to preserve an open mind on tbis most enigmatical subject must therefore beware of the ancient and evil influence of tbis term "sea serpent" when weighing the evidence of any report on the subject of an as yet unknown animal of the sea. It must be clearly understood, therefore, that the "credible stories" of which the Encyclopaedia Britannica speaks are in no case concerned with "sea serpents" as such, Sucb reports as warrant serious consideration by zoologists concern simply any marme animal—u.jally of considerable length but apparently never of greater bulk than tbe blue whale—tbat is Btated to exist, hut wbich has not, as yet, fallen, either dead or alive, into the hands of any competent scientist or museum curator. Whether any Bucb animals have ever been seen or not, and if so, whether they represent only a single type or several is another matter, and one which we will now proceed to examine. Now, as one wbo was brougbt up on tbe sea, has lived on it for montbs on end, and has spent a great deal of time sailing, steaming or flying over its surface, hut who has never seen nor ever expects to see an unknown sea monster, I must admit to baving taeen profoundly sbaken hy what I have found to be recorded on this subject. Tbis surprise, moreover, is caused not so mucb hy the 200-odd reports of eyewitnesses, some of wbich might conceivably be accepted as valid, nor even by tbe remarkable degree of concurrence among tbem—althougb tbey come from all over tbe world and are made by people wbo have never heard of any other sucb reports—but more especially by two other facts whicb show tbat tbe skeptics may any day be reduced to naught. The firet of these is the now indubitably established fact that tbe once-fabled kraken, whicb was accepted at by everybody as a figment of Norwegian fishermen's imagination, is a real animal and quite common. It haa turned out to be a tremendous squid, an animal of tbe same order of sbellfisb as tbe octopus, witb a body weigbing, on occasion, aa mucb as one and a balf tons, twenty feet in length and with tentacles up to thirty-five feet long. Tbe most disturbing aspect, to my mind, ahout thia complete collapse of aU disbelief in the kraken is, however, tbe fact that even before a certain Professor Verrill, by producing tbe hody, convinced tbe scientific world that it really existed, pieces of tbe same animal had been lying ahout in eeveral important museums for yearn. Furtber, kraken bodies bad been used by tbe Grand Bankfl fiahing fleet aa cod bait for generations! Tbe second disturbing disclosure, wbicb demonstrate » even more forcibly tbat negative evidence is bighly dangerous in zoological prognostication, came to light in 1938. In tbat year a nine-foot fish, now named Latimeria, wbich was trawled from shallow coastal waters off South Africa in an ordinary commerciat catcb, proved to be of a type wbich bad confidently been considered hy all scientists to have heen extinct, along with aU its relatives, for 55,000,000 years—in fact, since wbat is known to geologists as tbe Cretaceous Period. In tbe face of such "facts"—not just "credible stories," mind you—bow can we state witb any confidence tbat anything witbin reasonable timita of size and specific gravity may not exist in tbe sea? Tbis is a question tbat I am not prepared to answer, and I cannot see how anybody can do so, even the well-known icbl tiyologUt who stated in print not so long ago that "there are no sea serpents. The trouble is that too many people see things and then do not know how to describe what they see." There are serpents that live by tbe millions all over tbe Indian Ocean and in the seas around tbe East Indies. They are small poisonous snakes of many species, but witb laterally compressed tails, and they are not well represented in museum collections. Ttie trouble from our point of view is indeed thnt "too many peopte see tbings" such as the fifty-five sworn witnesses to tbe "monster" of Locb Ness in Scotland, Captain Dean and bis officers on ttie Hilary, find the numerous others wbo come later. A further troubte, moreover, is tbat a scientific journal of such unquestionahle standing as tbe Proceedings of the Zoological Society, of London... saw ñt to publisb the accounts of two trained zoologists named E. G. B. Meade-Waldo and M. J. Nicoll, who therein claim in no uncertain terms that they do "know bow to describe wbat tbey see." Tbey affirm, forsooth, that they watched for ten minutes, at 100 yards' distance tbrough field glasses, a small-headed, long-necked mammal, witb a soft frill on its back two feet high and six feet long. Further, its neck stuck seven to eigbt feet out of the water and was "ahout the thickness of a slight man's body." Tbis, they say, they saw at 10:15 A.M. on December 7, 1905, from the yacht Valballa off. Parahiha on the coast of Brazil. It is, therefore, perhaps unwise to state categorically tbat anytbing which could exist does not exist. Tbe okapi, for instance, an animal tbe size of a large borse, did not tum up Ln the Congo until 1900, and it ÍB certainly improbable enough to bebold. On tbe other band, tbere is tbe insurmountable fact that the people most likely to have encountered unknown sea animals and beat fitted to recognize them—tbe whalers—have never in 100 years even reported one. Add to tbis tbe fact that no piece of one has ever certainly been found and the whole business begins to look odd, if not even fisby. Nonetbetess. the volume of reports, invariably witnessed and usually notarized, that is in existence is little short, of astonishing wben critically examined. Let us compare tbe descriptions of hut a few wbo bave claimed to have seen such unknown sea animals, but in doing this let us also bear in mind two facts. First, tbat it was during the middle part of tbe nineteenth century that tbe existence of fossil skeletons of the extinct [Plesiosaurs],lon^-tK'i'ki'il, HTniill-lu'iiilcd miirino diiiiiMinir. |il(HJiiirim. wilh ÍIH four flip- ¡«•ix mill lii]n'riin;, l>nrn'l-nlni[i('(l body, \\rvt hi'i'iiim' widi'ly liiiuwn. Secondly, noli' (lull Ilii- p'l'porlH from I,ho iniflrllu of llu' niiii'lci'iiih ci'nlury until tlie pri'Honl (iiiy liiivi' lnH-n inatlo by per- HIIHH iif hij^hiT oiliiciil ion who were liki'ly lo lidvc wen (lniwiii};H of such n'coMHiriicU'd )>k-HtoM)urH.

In fact, the rL'jil or iinaf^inod appearance of the unknown animal of the seas seems to change both radically and rather abruptly after 1848. Ill thiw ycjir perhaps the most celebrated caae of (ill bunit upon a bigbly skeptical world Ibat bad been lulled into complacency by half a century during which roiwrlB, tbougb numerous, were so often either patently ridiculous or subsequently exposed ae plnin hoiixes. On October 4, 1848, Her Britannic Majeaty'B corvette Daedalus arrived nt Plymouth. England, from tbe East Indies, Capt. Peter M'Quahae commnndinfj. A week later, tbe London Times carried a somewhat flamboyant story beaded NAVAL INTELLIGENCE. and stating that the Daedalus had. when in passage hetween tbe Cape of Good Hope and St. Helena, sighted a vast sea animal with a long neck, traveling at fifteen miles an bour. Here the matter might bave rested as just another newspaper boax, but, possibly because of the paper concerned, tbe Admiralty figuratively raised its collective eyebrows so abruptly tbat they caused an oflicial minute to be dispatcbed tbat: very day to tbe commander in cbief at Plymoutb, instructing bim to investigate tbe veracity of Captain M'Quhae'a statement. Tbis prompt action resulted in an equally prompt rpply from tbe captain. His report stated, in most nautical and official terms, tbat at five o'clock on tbe sixth of August, in latitude twenty degrees, forty-four minutes S. and longitude nine degrees, twenty-two minute.s E., sometbing "very unusual" was seen by bimself. tbe officer of the watcb, a Mr. William Barrett, the quarter master, tbe boatswain's mate and the man at the wheel. It passed so close to the ship on a steady course that Captain M'Quhae aaid that "had it been a man of my acquaintance, I should have easily recognized his features." Sixty feet of the animal showed above water, it had a bead like a snake, carried constantly four feet above the water on a long, thin neck. Tbere was a sort of mane on this neck. This report caused tbe most tremendous rumpus, not only in tbe Britisb press but tbrougbout a large part of tbe world. In fact, the only people wbo seem to have kept, tbeir heads were the Lords Commissionere of the Admiralty, wbo. after reading its contents, seem to bave filed it and Baid not a word. Appeal WUH finally made to tbe great Sir Richard Owen, tben probably the best-known European naturalist and paleontologist, who took it upon himself to blaHt tbe whole report, not on the grouiidH (but it was a pure hoax, but on the; much more subtle tb(-'me that Captain M'Quahe and his officers, not being trained zoologists. were incapable of recognizing any living thing in the sea. Had he rested his case tbere. little harm might have resulted, for his name commanded tbe greatest respect, but, being a somewhat peppery old gentlemiin, IK' muni nrvdH put forward an t'X|>lniinliori of whnl. thoy hnd neon. Woixf' still, bo pounc:ed oti tbe capliiin'H Hliit.t'moiit. thnt, it "had a bond lilt« a Hnnkn" anrl wont, on to fltatc c(il.üg(iri(!iilly thdl, Hucb ii thinR did not fxÍM(.. In thiH ho wnH, an wo bnvo Heon nliovo, douhtlc'HH correct., bul. bo had, nonclheleHH, fallen into the trap unwittingly laid for us by our Herponiffîiiriiifi ancestors, for in r stupidly denied the existence of any unknown marine monster. Captain M'romtiinodlhrougluni( dimTi-ollylM'lowtlipBurfnctv Tlii>huni]>H ci>nHl,nn(.ly roHO in orderly procession, one after the other, behind the head, but they always till sank togethor!
Sometimes the head alone, like a curved periscope of enormous dimensions, careered about the sound, causing a "bow wave" and an audible rushing noise. Then, in Then, in 1877, a quite horrid report was submittod to i\w British Admiralty hy Comdr. H. L. Peanwn, R. N., of thu royal yachi Osborne. This stated thiU when the yacht—which hnd sail and paddles—was olT tbe nor(h coast of Sicily, homeward bound, three officers nnd the commander liimself Imd seen two appnrently connected apparitions of immense pro|portions and unaccountable appenrance. To condense the somewhat lengthy report, he it said that tbeir attention was ftrat drawn to a row of irregular fins sticking out of the calm sea in a perfect line mid proceeding as one. The largest fin waa some SL\ feet tall. As the yacht approached, these sank and in their stead there rose out of tbo sea the forepart of a gigantic animal. The head was seal-shaped and about six feet in diameter, the neck slender and long enough to allow tbe animal io throw its head far hack out of tbe water from time to time. Tbe neck joined a vast forehody, fifteen to twenty feet broad at the aboulders, and two fifteen-foot paddles, wbich flailed right out of the water with a semirevolving motion, propelled the beast. The visible part of the animal was fifty feet long and smooth, like a seal. Ï. .1. t llHi Na yonrn later, a corlain Capt. Klo, of lbo S.S. Umfuli, of Lmi., produced uneven more rt'm.irkubl., ropnrt. Hi..((or adil. ho »IHO »ul.mi((e,| u .Iniwing which ÍH both compotoiK jinci (iÍH( ui bingly convincinf,'. H. slidwH 11 ploHinHimruHlilto 1)P(IH( proccodirig M Hpood uvor tho avn. Captain Cringle uncouiid.red OIÍH nt ñ.M) v.M. on DüciMiibor 1, 18MH, in latitude twenty-one degrees, forty minutes N., longitude Bovciid'oii degrees, thirty minutes W., wliile on hi« way to the Cape of Good Hope. The head and neck of tlK- iiniiniil wore fifteen feet long. It was traveling at an extraordinary speed, apparently with great singleness of purpose, and the body, which had three distinct humps and was much larger in girth than the neck, was visible all the time. Ii had a smooth skin and toothed jaws. The Captain put about and chased the animal till dark. It was seen by several of the crew and was entered in the log. The Valhalla incident, mentioned before, occurred in 1905, and that of the Hilary in 1917, and then came a quite different account in 1919 from a Scottish civil servant named J. Macintosh Bell, who had taken a vacation on the island of Hoy in the Orkneys, off the northem tip of Scotland. Mr. Bell spent his time there with two local fisbermen, and on the day of his arrival was told by them that a large unknown animal had been seen almost every day around those parts. The first day he also saw it. This animal was allegedly some [twelve to sixteen] feet in total length [NOT counting the rear flippers] and the [head and] neck alone was six or seven feet long. The body was ovoid and terminated behind by two large flippers. There was another pair of flippers by the ahoulders, while the neck was [elongated] and [Illegible]. I d o kiuiw f.lml. llii'HD iHiopIo iiro extremely HiilicI nnd ri'lialilo, JUHI IIH, curiously i'nou^;li, iiro niosl. people who purport (i> liiivo Hi'i'ii Iho cnifiiiiii. It ia surely VL-ry slriuific Ihnt IIK; English, Scots, Norveigianns, Au.i(.niHiinM, and particuInrly I IK- Newfoundlanders and the New ZeaIanders. all of whom have an accepted reputation for skepticism, conservâtism and solid honesty, are yet the very ones—and practically the only ones—who have made this claim. Further, they are, with one exception, seafaring folk, even if well educated— n point that is made much of by the believers in strange sea beasts. Since 1919 also tbere have occurred several incidents that are hard to explain. Of these, the best known is unquestionably the famous I.och Ness monster, of Scotland, Since the reports of this affair, which extended over many months, are in the files oí almost every newspaper and since two lengthy treatises have been written on the subject, we need not repeat them at length. Suffice it to say that there is no doubt that some large animal cruised about this twenty-three-mile-long inland lake for more than a year, showing itself in a tentative and shy manner to hundreds of witnesses, many of whom made sworn statements to the fact. These statements include all the detail» that will have become irksomely repetitious to any who have waded through Doctor Oudemans' tome or who have read the other array of literature on the subject—lines of humps peeping out of the water, paddles, a long neck and small head, a large wake traveling about at speed, and masses of churned-up water. So well authenticated and protracted were these manifestations that all the leading British papers and international cable services kept permanent correspondents at the lakeside for weeks. The humps, wakes and chums were even photographed. This case reached a crescendo on January 5, 1934, when a young veterinary student named Arthur Grant declared that, while motorcycling along the side of the lake at 1:30 A.M., he had seen the animal on shore- His description states: "It had a long neck with eel-like head and large, oval-shaped eyes just on top of its small head. The body was very hefty, and I distinctly saw two front flippers. There were two other flippers which seemed to be webbed behind, and there was a tail which I estimated to he five or six feet long. The curious thing about the tail was it did not, as far as I could Bee, come to a point, but was rounded off. The total length of the creature would be fifteen to twenty feet. It looked like a hybrid—something between a plesiosaurus and the seal tribe." Now, this description raises the very potent question as to why Arthur' Grant, if he wanted to perpetrate a hoax about a sea serpent or sea monster, should say that be had seen it. on land. This, in turn, leads to the first conclusion: Why anybody indulge in all this bunkum fit iiny timi.>, in view of the ridicule that they may expect. to have heaped upon them? If the reports of the animal or animals are examined — both old and recent, explicable on other grounds or not, and rrimi all parts of the world it must be admitted that there is an extraordinary degree of concurrence among them. Time and time again the same physical features and the same behavior are ascribed to the benHt.H. Further, there is no evidence to show that Ho-ciiiled wiCnesHCH Lo an appearance ill AuHtrnIi« hiul ovor heard of incidents in the South Atlantic, nor thfit those were known to Scottish fishermen or civil servants. As for the New Englanders, of whom hundreds said they saw such beasts for months on end in 1817-1819, about Gloucester, it. cannot be believed that they bad then all read tbe fabulous sixteenth-century works on the sea serpent, and certainly none of them had ever heard of a plesiosaurus. Tben, again, bow many strange beasts like Latimeria may not have been físhed out of the sea and either thrown back because they had no commercial value or been boiled down because they bad? Yet it seems that nearly every case of a strange animal remnant washed ashore turns out to have a perfectly logical explanation—that is, it proves to belong to some known form. I have, however, found an instance where there was some doubt as to what tbe creature was. A thirty-foot, much decomposed string of vertebrae, with a skull and four paddlelike appendages attached, was found on the beach of Henry Island, British Columbia, in November, 1914, and on this scientists disagreed. Doctor Clemens, of the government biological station at Nanaimo, affirmed that it was a basking sbark—as is so often the case with such jetsam—while officials of the Provincial Museum at Vancouver said it was the remains of the last Steller's sea cow—a large marine mammal related to the manatee of tropical rivers and seas—which was thought to have become extinct in 1854. No sufficient nmotint nf ovirlonct' i"i(b('r for or ngnniHl thi» oxiHdmw of one or more unknown mn iniMualH of lt(r^> itiKo can IH» given \\\ nu nrtirk' of thi« coinniiKH. ' Shinitd, however, wo H(;w with the Encyclopedia Britainnica and say "there still remain a number of independent and apparently credible reports that are not satisfactorily explained", what do the reports that are not otherwise explicable indicate? That» there is to a substantial agreement among them. The creature may vary from twenty to 275[!] feet in length. It has a long and slender neck and long, tapering tail, a small bead and one or two pairs of paddles. It seems to be smooth. which is to say, scale-less or sleek-haired. liko a seal, and it may have whiskers. Now, these characters are mammalian rather than reptilian and, taken together with the only report from "trained zoologists"—those on the Valhalla, [one of which] also asserted that what they saw was a mammal [The other one thought it was a reptile]—would seem to make the idea that the creature or creatures are plesiosaurs unnecessary.[I must interject here that Sanderson has just made the extraordinary claim that a creature in the shape of a Plesiosaur is more likely to be a mammal on the basis of reports which say it looks like a Plesiosaur, the hair and whiskers are almost never reported and not any evidence as regards the majority of reports: and that the following statement that this "would seem to make the idea that such creatures were Plesiosaurs unnecessary" has no justification to be included whatsoever] However, it might be pointed out that the survival of dinosaurs is by no means impossible, not only on the lines laid down by Latimeria but for the simple reason that millions have survived—for example the crocodiles.

Even Doctor Oudemans' imaginary construction, which looks exactly like an attenuated plesiosaur, is not an impossible form for a mammal to take. In fact, it is really odd that none has done so until now, for thís is an convenient shape' for a marine creature that must pursue swift, finny food. A lJi nil wi.uld HL'om to be 11 Hilly rudder, but f.hoii almost every report of the fnijimji N;i(.(ik8 of liiiH or frills, wbicb would act as a stabilizer. There is, therefore, really no reason why such a mammal could not exist. This, of course, pronipin the question an to which group of animals it would prove to be related to, if it were eventually captured. Doctor Oudemans has been over all this speculation in great detail, and I must, admit, that, given the only feasible types of marine mammals to choose from—whales, seal« and manatees, with the extinct, whalelike beasts known an Zeuglodonts—he was not too unreasonable in selecting the seals. Many reports say the head of the unknown is seal-like, and seals have four flippers, which resembles Mr. Grant's description of the Loch Ness monster. All we need, in fact, is one or more species of huge seal with long necks and tails, and the enigma would be solved. Yet, I repeat, we have not got one, and in the meantime we had perhaps better take our cue from the Encyclopaedia Britannica and admit merely that "there still remain a number of independent and apparently credible stories which are not satisfactorily explained." THE END

Tuesday, 9 July 2013

Early Merhorse Art by Thomas Finley, and Longnecked Seals in General

"Merhorse" by Thomas Finley 2013.
Thomas Finley said when he made this illustration:
 "This painting captures an elusive Merhorse both above and below the waves and gives a special over all view of the size of the creature. This is a special request for the Bizarre Zoology Blog Series."
I then objected that Bernard Heuvelmans had made several specifications about the Merhorse, including that it was supposed to have enormous eyes. After some discussion (and submissions of competing artworks by both of us), Thomas Finley developed what we thought was a good and authoritative  Merhorse ex Heuvelmans.
However it seems Jay Cooney had originally intended this painting to represent a more generic giant pinniped which could account for reports contained in the Merhorse category. We can perhaps equate this to Peter Costello's version of the Longnecked Seal theory more than Heuvelmans' version per se (There is a good reason for saying so and we shall be getting to it directly)

 
 This is an image of Bernard Heuvelmans' Merhorse. It comes from a
 series of such illustrations as added in the next blog...
 
Thought to be a head-on view of a Merhorse by Heuvelmans. This could just possibly be an attempt to represent a sighting of the Hoy Island 1919 SS type head-on, assuming this face goes with that type. I feel pretty definitely this is a pinniped at least.
 
 

biomarginalia (Presumably Cameron McCormick) writes:
[Regarding]Bernard Heuvelmans’ “Long-Necked" sea serpents: the Hoy “sea serpent" is fascinating, although rather than evidence for a long-necked species of pinniped, I wonder if it was an encounter with a very very wayward (and exaggerated) eared seal. As for the others, it is within the realm of possibility for mirages to create the impression of a long-necked creature (I’ll have to track down that diagram). Confusingly, it is not explained why the Tonny and Orme’s Head encounters are classified unambiguously into this category (and not, say as Super Otters or Many-Humped); amazingly the Orme’s Head sighting was published in the rather improbable venue of Nature. It may be a bit more difficult to publish a sea serpent report there today. [These drawings were published in the recent blog on Longnecked reports in general-DD]
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Bernard Heuvelmans' version of the Long-necked giant Sea lion, his "Megalotaria"

 
Reconstituted J Mackintosh Bell sighting creature, seen off the island of Hoy in the Orkneys, 1919.
This would presumably be a female. Length from nose to tail would be 13-14 feet, the size of a walrus but of course with the neck being more elongated.

 
This would be the hypothetical male and female of the species
As a sort of "Northern Bunyip" it is possible that the male would have a mane of thick hair all over the neck and not just a stripe of hair along the spine: the female's neck would be hairy too, but that would perhaps not be so obvious. The male might be up to 18-20 feet long maximum, the size of an elephant seal, although once again not built the same way and not weighing as much.
 
There is an earlier blog entry giving good reasons why this model is to be preferred to something more closely similar to the original drawings produced to illustrate the sighting.
 
In the version below, taken from Heuvelmans, the reader is led to believe the witness produced these drawings himself. In fact when checking Rupert T. Gould's retelling of the original report, it is clear that Bell had difficulty in making a good representation of the creature and these drawings were made by his wife. the drawing is decidedly amateurish and with wavering uncertainty of the outline
 
The measurements which were specified are actually in conflict with this drawing. The length of the neck is just about equal to the width of the back: the length of the body is about twice as long as the length of the back. The rear flippers are again about the length of the back. The whole length of the creature is about seven times the length of the head, the neck being twice and the body being four times the length of the head, plus the length of the head for itself. The corrected proportions are as redrawn above.  Length including the tail flippers for the male is 20-25 feet long and for the female is 15-18 feet long

 
The head and neck was made under the impression that it resembled the 1893 Lochalsh sighting by Farquahar Matheson out of the illustrations which Gould provided for reference.




 In his account, J. Mackintosh Bell had stated that the neck above water was as thick as an elephant's foreleg and all rough looking. An elephant's foreleg is a much thicker object than is shown in the original drawing and an attempt to make an appropriate corresponding thickness of neck is what is shown in the above paste-up.

There is one good Scientific account and illustration of a longnecked seal, made in the late 1700s and evidently making reference to a creature sighted around the British isles and not actually seen by the artist himself. This is nonetheless the only really substantial documentation of the allegation. In this case, a young male was said to measure 7 1/2 feet long and the projected size of an adult male would then be between 20 and 25 feet long (Pehaps 30 feet long counting the outstretched rear flippers)
(The adult male sea lion is about three times as long as the pup, a statement affirmed by Heuvelmans)

This information was provided by Darren Naish:
 James Parson wrote a paper in 1751 in which he described five “species” of Phoca, among them he mentioned a Dr. Grew’s “long neck’d seal” from an unknown locality. This peculiar seal was actually part of the Royal Society’s Museum, and as such it was included in a Catalog published in 1681, where it was described as follows:From his nose end to his fore-feet, and from thence to his tail, are of the same measure [4]
Grew's original text long necked seal

Heuvelmans' composite is not a good match for the Long-necked Sea lion:

But it IS just possibly a good match for the J Mackintosh Bell/ 1919 Hoy SS, allowing that neither drawing was going to be precisely accurate:
And as a final check, matching the full reconstruction to the Hoy SS proportions, we see there is a severe difference in proportions. The heads, flippers and bodies are not so much different in relative size, but the neck is actually drastically shorter. and that is the major difference, the actual Longnecks have a Plesiosaur-like neck which typically measures 10-20 feet in adults (Estimating a total length of 28 to 55 feet going by Oudemans' charts and reducing the tail lengths appropriately: the average 15 foot long neck belongs to a 40 foot long adult)

The lengths given by Peter Costello for his big eared model of the long necked seal are a minimum of about 18 feet for females and a maximum of about 30 feet for the males.(In Search of Lake Monsters p 288) This is no way comparable to the basic Longnecks (including the averages of such sightings as alleged at Loch Ness) but is a pretty exact match for the predictions based on the Hoy SS redrawn model. The drawing made at the top of the page by Thomas Finley is a pretty decent portrayal of the type: BUT the big ears in this artwork and as specified by Costello do not go with this type, they go with the Master-Otter and other kinds of Water-Monsters. This model would NOT account for the majority of reports in Loch Ness, Lake Okanagan, Lake Champlain or Lake Storsjon, BUT they might do well to account for SOME of the Irish reports and some of the "Long-Necked Seal" Bunyips that are explicitly described as such (ibid pp 273-276)(at a total estimated length of 5-15 feet long, which I consider a fair match, and not measuring the rear flippers in with the length)

As I had said it before, I prefer to refer to the Long necked Sea Serpent reports collected by Heuvelmans as "Megalotaria longicollis" to represent two types, the majority being the Longneck longicollis but this series as typified by the 1919 Hoy Sea Serpent retaining the genus name Megalotaria (Big Sea lion). I would have preferred to retain the name Megophias preferred by Oudemans for the Longicollis creature, but I have heard some very persuasive arguments why that name should not be maintained. Incidentally the colloquial term "Long-neck" as a reference to the long-necked plesiosaurs (and as distinguished from the short-necked plesiosaurs) runs back as far as the middle 1800s (the middle of the 19th century, and old enough for the term to be understood since before the American Civil War. References to Oudemans' composite creature as a Long-neck or a Long-necked seal were not merely descriptive, they were making a direct acknowledgement that his Megophias looked like a long necked Plesiosaur) Thus the uses for Long Necked seal and Long Necked Plesiosaur are almost equally as old as each other: it cannot be objected that the term is a modern one or that Heuvelmans made it up.
 

Sunday, 16 June 2013

Sea Serpent Reconstructions and the problem of the Longnecks' Necks

My original statement made about Longnecks was made back in 2009 under the heading

 "TWO Long-necked sea creatures"

on the CFZ blog:
 http://forteanzoology.blogspot.com/2009/11/dale-drinnon-two-long-necked-sea.html

"This concerns two different long-necked animals reported as Sea-Serpents. The first is the Long-necked sea lion such as reported off the Island of Hoy in 1918 and the other is the larger more Plesiosaurian creature more commonly seen.


Parsons_1751_long-necked_seal
This (Top) would be the same type as the Hoy Island SS of 1918. It is a rather poor drawing of an exaggerated but fundamentally normal sealion type.


"There are more samples from the group Frontiers-of-Zoology. The Kivik Stone is in the files and has this description:




'Original for some of Holiday's creature drawings: showing a possible Scandinavian long-necked sea lion of unknown type.'

"However, that is not the only or even the more important of the long-necked Sea-Serpents. Tim Dinsdale's illustration from Monster Hunt shows one of the larger, longer-necked, smaller-headed, tailed creatures hunting seals (which it evidently kills but does not eat, and when they are said to kill human beings the same thing is said again).



'This is incidentally one of three such plain representations of a Plesiosaurian tailed creature seen from above that Heuvelmans must have known about: two other examples were in Sanderson's archives. A later and better-known example was the Plesiosaurian creature seen by the research submarine Alvin in the tongue-of-the-sea, off Grand Bahama.







"The larger collage [Lost by the CFZ in the original printing] is also from the files of the group and collects together several pre-contact representations of Plesiosaur-shaped creatures, from prehistoric rock art up until 'Primitive' art in more recent times. This is only a sample from the groups' photo albums. Specifically Plesiosaurian anatomy shows in several cases: sometimes the specific skeletal structure of the paddles and limb girdles is shown, sometimes even the characteristic Euryapsid openings at the back of the skull are clearly intended (Snakes have nothing like that)


greek-sea-serpent2, compared to Plesiosaur
E=Euuyapsid opening behind the eye, O=Eye socket, N=Nostrils, all in their proper places


"I presume that both types can wander inland but they do not make a career of it: and the two areas in specific where the long-necked seals wander inland are Ireland (Shannon River system especially) and Australia (where they are sometimes called Bunyips. Not the only things called Bunyips, either).
Grant Nessie sighting compared to the hypothetical long-necked sealion (above right)
And even more so for the Plesiosaur at bottom (Cryptoclidus from Walking with Dinosaurs)
 



"And personally I prefer maintaining the proposed scientific names of Megalotaria for the sea lion and Megophias for the more typical long-necked (and tailed) sea-serpent. My colleague
 Charles Paxton is, however, strongly opposed to the suggestion."

Megophias was the name given to the American Sea-Serpent in an unrecognizable description by Rafinesque but because of that Anton C Oudemans insisted it must be retained as the proper name when he wrote his own book , The Great Sea-Serpent (1892), and for which he made the following reconstruction of it. Beneath Oudemans' version are the reconsteuctions of Ivan Sanderson and then Tim Dinsdale from Loch Ness Monster (1960), with the humps on the back removed (As per his remark "They might as well have been left off")

 
These reconstructions are entirely comparable and the general feeling after Oudemans has been that he allowed too great a length for the tail. Sanderson allowed about equal thirds of the total length for the head-neck, body and tail, but later versions (and his own later versions) have tended to allow even less for the tail.


Tim Dinsdale states the data on the neck in Loch Ness Monster page 19: "Taking into account the angle at which the neck is held or the graceful arch when motionless in the water, and the consistent reference to a height of 5-6 feet above the water, total length of the neck must be 9 or 10 feet [With the neck at an angle, travelling forward at speed, and the cylindrical forepart of the neck evenly a foot thick according to the drawing on the opposing page,], and in view of its sinuous fexible movements it must be extremely muscular; a solid pillar of muscle springing from a tremendous breadth of shoulder, 2 or 3 feet thick at its base perhaps, then tapering down suddenly before continuing out to the head with an almost parallel thickness [Oudemans' reconstruction shows this also- DD] It is a very remarkable neck and if people are to be believed it is quite unlike that of any known living species- fish, mammal or reptile, and there is no doubt that irrefutable proof of its existence will provide a very tough morsel for scientists to chew upon"
 
My contention is that it is impossible for a mammal to have a neck that fits these specifications
Below is a diagram comparing Heuvelmans' model to Oudemans' (minus the tail) in order to point out the problem of a Long-necked mammal: Placental mammals including seals have  only the standard 7 neck bones (Seven vertebrae).
Dimensions of sample Sea serpents from Oudemans' chart page 492:
A) Length of head, 1 foot; length of neck 6 feet; length of trunk 7 1/2 feet: breadth of head,8 inches: thickness of neck , 4/9 feet, Dale says 6 inches and be done with it; Oudemans total is 28 feet, Dale's total is 20 feet.
B) Length of head, 2 feet; length of neck 11 2/3 feet, Dale says 12-13 feet; Length of trunk 15 feet; Breadth of head 16 inches, Thickness of neck is 8-9 inches (Dale says poss 1 foot);Oudemans total is 55 feet, Dale's total is 40 feet: this is close to the average of most sightings by both Dale and Dinsdale (And Heuvelmans if the estimation of 60 feet in most Longneck cases is equivalent to Oudemans' 55)
C) Length of head, 3 feet: length of Neck 17 1/2 feet: Breadth of head is 2 feet: Thickness of neck is 16 to 18 inches; Oudemans length is estimated as 83 feet, Dale's est is 60 feet, and this corresponds to the Daedalus' SS in 1845 according to Oudemans, one of the standards he uses to derive all the measures from. This might equivilate Heuvelmans' Merhorse, probably not so large really and Dale thinks not nearly so common as is often assumed. All of Oudemans larger estimates may be safely ignored and the largest estimates are probably mistaken sightings of whales according to Dale.

The proportions of the neck were also as specified by Sir Henry Rostron in an earlier blog entry and I took pains to draw attention to it then. Below are more views of the head and neck from Loch Ness Witnesses. (Torquil MacLeod to the left, Miss Margaret Munro top right, and the original nighttime sketch by Arthur Grant at right bottom. This last corrects the figure by Putting the tail back on the tail end after it had been drawn as separately in order to get it all on the same sheet of paper:


Below are some typical Sea Serpent head and  postures taken from many reports and in the first examples utilizing Bruce Champagne's sea-serpent models as being neutal to the debate; First is te fully erect periscope with a "Caddy" report inset as a crioss-reference. This is typically only assumed when the animal is fully stalled or is only moving forward very slowly: one or two reports of sea serpents at full erection swimming forward at good speed are suspicious for that reason alone and at least one of these may be describing a waterspout.
 
 
Next is the creature with the neck thrown forward and up at an angle, which can be assumed at a good rate of speed. N such occasions the creature seems to be alarmed at disturbances at the surface. A model for the New England Sea Serpent in the 1800s is the inset here, This posture will commonly throw up a standing wave in the wake, hence the "String of Buoys" effect in the inset illustration.

 
 
 
Above, two good Sea Serpent reports with the head and neck on the incline to various degrees. The Valhalla sketch has been flipped horizontally and the original is shown at the end of this article.
And finally there is the actually typical swimming posture with the head and neck down in the water and pointed straight ahead. on such occasions only the head at the end of the neck may break surface

 
 The following drawing taken from Tim Dinsdale's Loch Ness Monster but "Recognised" in Florida
has the neck bending about halfway along. It is because of this that a good many reports and most of the earlier authors underestimate the true length of the neck. I have indicated where I make the division of the length from snout to vent to be broken into halves of nearly equal length
 
 
The Morgawr photos off Cornwall may or may not be legitimate but they DO illustrate what is usually described as fishing posture with the neck in an arched shape. From the arched shape the neck can also move from side to side or forward to probe around, or it can plunge downwards.
 
 
And so below here are my mock-ups showing a Longneck as a Plesiosaur at scale to a human figure, illustrating these basic moves to the head and neck as are typically mentioned in the reports:
 
 
First the typical swimming posture with the neck pointed straight ahead and down in the water,

 
Secondly with an upward curve from usually the forward half of the neck,
and this can be a shallow S-curve

 
Next is the position moving ahead at speed on the surface with the neck inclined forward at an angle, evidently assumed when there is a perceived threat at or above the surface of the water

 
Next the arched neck posture assumed to be used in fishing
(Inset, the open mouth and tongue in proportion as also reported)

And the full periscope, which is rarest of all and usually assumed with little or no forward motion.
This is actually an s-shaped curve with the top 1/3 bending as much as the bottom 2/3, which is in good agreement to other indicators of the neck flexibility.
 
 
There are also occasions where the front part of the neck is making a curve at the top like the upper part of a C curve, and this old sighting of the New England Sea Serpent illustrates that curve:
 
 
This illustration of the Scandinavian sea serpent also shows the same position, also the size of the mouth (gape) when opened. The illustration intends to show the mane but the nature of the mane is described differently in different reports. Often it is said to be a fin or of a fleshy nature. 
 
Loch Ness Monster as reported in 2010
 
Now the point of all of this is that while the necks of Plesiosaurs are made up of many vertebrae with many cartilaginous joints between them, the necks of mammals ordinarily come with the seven neck bones (And the first one at the base of the skull does not count for much in any lengthening of the neck) Below we have a direct comparison between the skeletons of a giraffe's neck (Photo inset) and a Plesiosaur's neck (Public-domain drawing) Please note how long the individual vertebrae are in the giraffe's neck.
 
However the Longneck's neck is clearly NOT the same as the giraffe's neck: it is at the same size for the head, and the same thickness but at least double the length of the neck proportionately.
 
At this point the vertebrae are stretched to the length of more typical limb bones, being something like two or three feet long. The joints between them are more like elbow joints between the elongated bones. Please bear in mind that the vertebrae cannot bend in the middle, they can only bend at the ends. To compare again, here is the Zakariya al-Qazwini Bestiary Longneck from just after 1200 (One of the same series we have been looking at recently) This still has recognizably a littler curve at the top and a longer curve at the bottom, to make an overall stretched-S shaped curve
 (This one also shows the mane as spikes)
 

 
Already when you have a giraffe bend its neck, it does so stiffly and forming angles rather than smooth curves. In the photo below, the giraffe's neck folds over as a straight segment at the top because there is only one bone in there. It cannot make a nice continuous curve because it needs more vertebrae to do that. It cannot make anything comparable to a sea-serpent's S-curve or C-curves for that reason. There are not enough joints in the neck to make the curves go that way. Instead of a curve you get a set of angles.
 
 
Please refer to the reconstructions for Heuvelmans' and Oudemans' hypothetical long-necked pinnepeds at the top of this page: I have indicated where the vertebrae are going to have to be if those are going to be mammalian necks. The front half of the neck is going to have three vertebrae only at most, and those three vertebrae are not going to make a smooth curve. What you will have will be a series of angular kinks as I tried to convey to Darren Naish in my eatrlier drawing. For the kinds of curves we have frequently illustrated (and shown in samples above), my guess is that we would need two or three times the number of joints in the place of the hypothetical giraffe-like long pieces, in order to make the curves to have the sufficient bending for a smooth curve instead of a stiff bend at an angle. And once again, you are going to have to have vertebrae at least two feet long each in order to get the neck as long as you need it to fit these reports (Not a few reports but the majority of reports, worldwide and over the span of centuries) You are not going to get a nice tight circular curve over a five-foot length of neck such as the top of the Periscope or C-curve, what you will have will be two long pieces bent at right angles to each other for that same given length of neck..
 
Bending the longneck's neck: at 4 feet of neck the mammalian longneck has two vertebrae
to execute a tight curve but can only manage to fold at right angles (Left) at a 4 foot length of neck
with six vertebrae instead (Right), it is much easier to make regular curves in the neck. 

 
Below is Dale's plan drawing for a typical longneck using the statistical averages common in many reports and basically it is once again like the Oudemans, Sanderson and Dinsdale reconstructions, borrowing a little from each one but making more specifications including the larger flippes on this model. I have a later, improved version of the drawing that has made the numbers on it more readable
 
 
 
Below is a selection of Sea Serpent and Loch Ness Monster stills selected from many candidates by Scott Mardis, Jay Cooney, Dave Francazio, myself and some of our co-workers as being possible candidates for the Longneck category. The purpose here is not to dissect and criticize them but just to give a general overview of what the evidence looks like.





 
Two of the more controversial photos, from Loch Ness and from the "Patagonian Plesiosaur" Nahuelito
 
 

And the Valhalla illustration in its original orientation. It seems there are
different drawings of it pointed in either direction. 
 
ADDITIONAL:
My opinion was and is that some of the reports ascribed to the Mokele-MBembe are probably the same type of water monster as elsewhere and that in some cases, the reported dimensions match the Loch Ness Monster. That does mean specifically the reported dimensions of the neck. On this earlier blog posting:
 http://frontiersofzoology.blogspot.com/2012/11/reposting-congo-dragons-and-colossal.html

I included this depiction of a Mokele-MBembe which struck me as being more reminiscent of a Plesiosaur rather than a Sauropod dinosaur, and it definitely shows many vertebrae in the neck:

Furthermore there are many native depictions of water monsters and dragons the whole world over and not one of them shows only a few vertebrae in the neck, they always show many vertebrae in the neck. In this one the limbs are depicted oddly, but I think the idea is still that they are flippers rather than feet. In other depictions, the flippers are much more obviously so.

And here is the large file that the CFZ left off in the 2009 printing of the article

Native LongNecker Depictions Worldwide