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Showing posts with label Rex Gilroy. Show all posts
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Thursday, 16 January 2014

Champ Reconstructions Followup

The  owner of the Lake Monsters Facebook page went ahead and made up this lovely piece of artwork depicting a typical Lake monster (saying it could be Loch Ness or Lake Champlain, or anywhere where the Longnecked creatures venture inland) and using my composite published on this page recently. While this was unauthorised use of my image I was very glad to see it and I thanked him for making it up.

Scott Mardis had told me that some theorists at Lake Champlain think the creature could be a large turtle: Both Scott Mardis an I feel that an actual plesiosaur would be more likely than a giant turtle that looks so much like a plesiosaur otherwise.

Recently I mentioned Tim Dinsdale's reconstruction for the Loch Ness Monsteras coming out statistically close to mine, and so here is a news photo of a young Tim Dinsdale showing off his composite model, and below, the Australian version, which is nearly identical once again(allowing for 2 or 3 humps equally)


Scott Mardis sent some materials about the Australian Aboriginal Yarru, which he thought seemed to have small rounded rocks inside like the Plesiosaur's gatroliths

Driver, Rebecca. 1999. Australia’s Aborigines ... did they see dinosaurs? Creation Ex Nihilo 21(1):24–27.

Dennis Fields, a former missionary to Far North Queensland’s Kuku Yalanji tribespeople, told the CMIministry in Australia some years ago of a story the elders of the tribe told him, of a creature called Yarru (or Yarrba). The tribe inhabits the rainforest regions, where there are a number of waterholes in which, in earlier days, Yarru was said to live. There is a story of how the Yarru devoured a young maiden. The missionary asked one of the tribe’s artists to paint the story for him. The tribal artist, with very little formal education, had no knowledge of what so-called prehistoric animals looked like, and was drawing only from the descriptions handed down in the ancient stories. The painting (later donated to Creation International Ministries, and shown at the right [below]) shows a creature with a remarkable resemblance to the extinct Plesiosaurus.
Yarru or Yarrba (Plesiosaur) Painting


 European sightings of water monsters also often match this description.[11] Most evolutionists, however, find this unacceptable, since they insist such creatures vanished with the dinosaurs over 65 million years ago. For centuries, the Dharuk people have spoken of the mighty ‘Mirreeulla,’ whose home is the Hawkesbury River near Sydney. Sightings of plesiosaur-like creatures in this river have continued to modern times, with some estimating the creature at up to 15 metres (50 feet) long.

[11. Nessie’s kin? Creation 18(4):18, September 1996]




Scott also showed this diagram of an Elasmosaur to show where the gastroliths were located
And below a "Cadborosaurus" report with a 3-humped Plesiosaur-shaped creature giving some indication about the "Mane" (which is a point of contention in such reports). 
 This is actually another "Sea Giraffe" with a fairly short mane, described as being like a "fin" (fleshy material) and with a length of a few inches  (3-6 inches irregularly, it looks like from the witness' drawings)




Tuesday, 29 October 2013

Loch Ness Monster Emerges at Magnetic Island, North Queensland, Claim Beachgoers

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/517665/20131029/loch-ness-monster-nessie-lake.htm#.Um_yUdzD-1v

Loch Ness Monster Emerges at Magnetic Island, North Queensland, Claim Beachgoers

By Athena Yenko | October 29, 2013 10:52 AM EST
On Oct 25, beachgoers at Magnetic Island, off Townsville, claimed that they saw "a distinctive long, curved neck bobbing up and down off the coast," AAP reports.
The beachgoers were quick to associate the image they saw to the mythical creature Loch Ness monster or most popularly called Nessie
Locals of the Magnetic Island were now desperate to find answer or a name to the image that they saw.
"It was bobbing up and down in the water and at first I thought, what's that? Someone yelled out 'it looks like a Loch Ness monster. I've never seen anything like it - it could be anything. We are all wanting to know what it is," David Herron, a marriage celebrant told AAP.
Mr Herron was able to photograph the "monster" from a 200 metres distance.
However, marine biologists who have seen the photograph taken by Mr Herron said that the object bobbing up and down off the coast could be a piece of a tree or boat.

Glen Chilton, James Cook University biology professor, echoed what the marine biologists said. "It's probably a piece of a tree or piece of a boat which has somehow broken away," he told AAP.

But Australian cryptozoologist and self-proclaimed "yowie man" Rex Gilroy took the locals' side saying that "it's hard to say from the photo" whether the image seen was just that of a piece of tree or a part of a boat.
Mr Gilroy said that he had known 800 sightings of creatures resembling the Loch Ness monster. Some of these sightings were from the Magnetic Island and Townsville area. In fact, in Oct 2012, a local fisherman saw a grey coloured creature emerging from waters off the Magnetic Island.


The mystery about the Loch Ness monster, Nessie, had been being told over and again for 80 years now.
The story started as far back on Apr 14, 1933, when a couple - John Mackay and his wife - saw something strange as they drove past the Loch Ness Lake in Scottish Highlands. According to accounts, the couple described what they saw as something resembling a whale.
The story of Mr and Mrs Mackay had since then gave birth to more sightings of the Loch Ness monster. To date, there is still no concrete evidence to support the sightings.

Scientists even consider the mystery of the Loch Ness monster as a myth and hoax to drive tourism to the lake.


[Related Reference:
 
The descriptions bring to mind the classic Longneck's arching-over fishing posture. The logo for the Champ Search echoes that shape and so also does a recent photograph said to be Champ showing his neck in a similar posture, This photo is also hotly disputed, however--DD]


Sunday, 26 February 2012

3 Kinds of Moas

For people not following the matter of surviving moas lately, there seen to be three kinds of surviving moas: the slaller sort that Heuvelmands and Sanderson were writing about suppoted by some very recent mummified remains (possibly dating to the 1800s), the medium-sized one Roy Mackal was speaking of and which generally resembled emus but which were more thickset and lived in forests where emus would never be, and then the largest sort, taller than a man to perhaps ten feet or more (estimated), one of which has been photographed in recent years. There is a peculiar situation in that Eberhart records reports of ALL of them, but instead of listing them under the common name "Moa", he chooses to list them under the name of the SMALLEST form, the Roa-roa.

Eberhart, George, in Mysterious Creatures, 2002:
Roa-RoaFlightless BIRD of New Zealand that might be a
surviving moa.
Etymology: Maori (Austronesian) word, also
used for the great spotted kiwi of South Island.
Variant names: Roa, Rua, Tokoweka.
Physical description: A kiwilike bird about the
size of a turkey, though larger birds have been
reported  occasionally.  Gray,  blue,  or  spotted
plumage.  Small  head  and  beak.  Long  neck.
Sharp spurs on its feet.
Behavior: Call is similar to that of a kiwi.
Tracks: Three-toed. The middle toe measures
up to 14 inches from heel to tip.
Distribution: South Island, New Zealand; also
possibly in Urewera National Park on North Is-
land, New Zealand.
Significant sightings: George Pauley claimed
to have seen a bird 20 feet high by a lake in
southern South Island in the 1820s.
Walter Buller wrote that the Maoris claimed
a large kiwi lived in the Chatham Islands until
about 1835.
In  January  1861,  fresh-looking,  three-toed
prints about 14 inches long were found in the
mountains  between  Takaka  and  Riwaka  in
northern South Island by members of a survey-
ing party.
Sir George Grey was told in 1868 about a
small moa captured and killed near Preservation
Inlet, North Island. It had been taken from a
drove of six or seven birds.
In 1878, several people reported seeing a sil-
ver-gray bird larger than an emu on a station
near Waiau, South Island. In one instance, a
sheepherder’s dog flushed the bird from a patch
of scrub and chased it for about 40 yards before
it turned and chased the dog. The moa stood for
ten minutes watching them, bending its long
neck up and down like a swan.
Seven-year-old  Alice  McKenzie  touched  a
big, navy-blue bird at Martin’s Bay, near Mil-
ford Sound, South Island, in 1880. It was at
least 3 feet tall and had dark-green, scaly legs
and three claws on each foot. It began to attack
her, so she ran home to get her father, who re-
turned and measured the tracks it left.
In 1896, some schoolboys saw a moalike bird
cross a road in the Brunner Range, South Is-
land.
In 1963, a scientist saw a large, moalike bird
in the brush in the North-West Nelson State
Forest Park, South Island.
In May 1991, Jim Straton saw an enormous,
dark-colored bird cross a hiking trail in front of
him along the Waimakariri River. He estimated
its height at 11 feet.
Paddy  Freaney  and  two  other  hikers  pho-
tographed a 6-foot-tall moa in the Craigieburn
Range of South Island on January 20, 1993. It
was covered with reddish-brown and gray feath-
ers  and  had  thick  legs  and  huge  feet.  Their
blurry photo, snapped after the bird had started
running away, is inconclusive.
Rex and Heather Gilroy made plaster casts of
three-toed tracks, the largest of which were 9.5
inches long, that they found in September 2001
in Urewera National Park, North Island.
Possible explanations:
(1) A surviving species of the Moa family
(Dinornithidae), possibly the Upland moa
(Megalapteryx didinus), which is generally
thought to have been exterminated by the
seventeenth century. Some Maori
informants suggest the bird may have
persisted into the late eighteenth century.
Relatively fresh remains were occasionally
found in the nineteenth century. M. didinus
stood about 3 feet 6 inches high, while the
Large bush moa (Dinornis novaezealandiae)
was 7 feet tall and the Stout-legged moa
(Euryapteryx geranoides) was about 6 feet
tall. Most of the alleged sightings by
Europeans date from 1850 to 1880. The
majority of Maori accounts of the final
extinction of the moa place it between 1770
and 1840, though 25 percent of them put it
prior to 1600. It seems increasingly unlikely
that such a distinctive bird could have
survived virtually unnoticed. Frequent moa
hunts have failed to turn up any sign of the
birds’ recent survival.
(2) An unknown species of Kiwi (Apteryx
spp.). A cloak made for a Maori chief has
kiwilike feathers that are larger than those of
any known kiwi.
(3) The Great spotted kiwi (Apteryx haasti)
only grows to 2 feet tall and does not have
spurs.
(4) The Takahe (Porphyrio hochstetteri) is a
rare, flightless rail with blue plumage that
lives on South Island.
Sources: Ferdinand von Hochstetter, New
Zealand: Its Physical Geography, Geology and
Natural History (Stuttgart, Germany: J. G.
Cotta, 1867), pp. 173, 181–197; Walter
Lawry Buller, A History of the Birds of New
Zealand (London: Walter Lawry Buller,
1888); Alice McKenzie Mackenzie, Pioneers of
Martins Bay: The Story of New Zealand’s Most
Remote Settlement (Christchurch, New
Zealand: Whitcombe and Tombs, 1952);
Michael M. Trotter and Beverley McCulloch,
“Moas, Men, and Middens,” in Paul S.
Martin and Richard G. Klein, eds., Quaternary
Extinctions: A Prehistoric Revolution (Tucson:
University of Arizona Press, 1984), pp.
708–727; Atholl Anderson, Prodigious Birds:
Moas and Moa-Hunting in Prehistoric New
Zealand (New York: Cambridge University
Press, 1989), pp. 176–178; “Trampers See
‘Moa’ in Bush,” New Zealand Herald, January
25, 1993; Geoff Mercer, “Obsession and
Stories Sparked by Scientists,” Wellington
Evening Post, January 26, 1993; “New Zealand
Moa Sighting Reported by Three Witnesses,”
ISC Newsletter 11, no. 4 (1992): 1–5; Karl
Shuker, “The Case of the Missing Moa,”
Fortean Times, no. 69 (June-July 1993):
42–43; H. W. Orsman, ed., The Dictionary of
New Zealand English (Auckland, New
Zealand: Oxford University Press, 1997), p.
676; Darren Naish, “Cryptozoology of the
Moa: A Review (Part One),” Cryptozoology
Review 2, no. 3 (Winter-Spring 1998): 15–24;
Errol Fuller, Extinct Birds (Ithaca, N.Y.:
Cornell University Press, 2001), pp. 28–51;
Rex Gilroy, “Search for the Little Scrub Moa
of New Zealand,” Australasian Ufologist 5, no.
6 (2001): 4–9.
I should also add that Rex Gilroy reports what could be the tracks of all three forms.
Best Wishes, Dale D.

Monday, 14 November 2011

Burunjor, an Aboriginal Tyrannosaurus?

I just receieved this update in my email from Rex Gilroy through an intermediary:

Out Now
"Burrunjor!The Search For Australia's Living Tyrannosaurus".
by Rex and Heather Gilroy
Copyright © Rex Gilroy 2011.
This book is virtually completed and ready for the printer. Our book comes at a time when, thanks to our pioneering research into this mystery of Aboriginal Australia, Burrunjor is grabbing the attention of Cryptozoologists worldwide.

During March this year the Gilroys, together with Greg Foster our research assistant, carried out an expedition which resulted in the discovery of fresh tracks of Theropod dinosaur type, ancient rock carvings depicting these Tyrannosaurid monsters, and searched regions including the `Red Centre' where these nightmarish monsters have been claimed seen for generations..

It is all there in our new book for all to see, the sightings and terrifying close encounters, not only by Aborigines but also a great many European settlers; the stock `kills' , the `Time-Window' theory evidence; accounts of people who have witnessed the `impossible; people who have by chance
entered `Time-Windows' to encounter the "Age of Dinosaurs".

The book does not only feature information from Australia's far north, for reports of Burrunjor come from South Australia, western Queensland, far western New South Wales and then there are also the eastern Australian encounters, particularly concerning the mysterious `Dinosaur wamplands' of the Wollemi wilderness.

BURRUNJOR! The Search for Australia's Living Tyrannosaurus,
will be released in December 2011 and is certain to create a sensation.

Details Below
http://www.mysteriousaustralia.com/books-for-sale.html


With the help of some of "Cryptozoologist's previously-posted illustrations (And don't think for a minute I am ungrateful for them!), I think I can solve this little problem right away. The creature is the same as the giant lizard "Megalania" reported in other parts of Australia, only it occasionally sits up on its hind legs. This behaviour is known in Komodo dragons, for example when an adult dragon is attempting to snatch something out of a tree. And the artwork does not even need to be actually showing the lizards standing upright: this is basically a matter of perspective used in the artwork. Monitor lizards can be frequently depicted from above looking down, oriented with the nose end up and tail end down. This is shown on both bark art paintings and on rock art. And I have known about this since my High School days.
 An aboriginal bark painting showing a monitor lizard from just such a view. The illustration is from the Encyclopedia Britannica Online. The illustration seems to show a lizard standing up on its hind legs, but really it is on all fours on the ground as seen from above.Different versions of the design can show the mouth open or both forelegs on one side. This one is done in the "X-Ray" style.

Incidentally, the "Plesiosaur-Bunyip" rock art is also basically a variation of the same design, only with the neck very much longer and the limbs looking more like flappers. There is nothing unusual about the purported Plesiosaurs from an ARTISTIC point of view-it is a variation on the common lizard design. The difference is in the specific anatomy. Incidentally, while researchin this blog, I found a shortnecked Plesiosaur variation of the design on a site which wants me to pay to use the illustration. It looks very much like Tyler Stone's version of Gambo. Perhaps I shall be able to run it in a future blog.
Here is another piece from "Cryptozoologist's" page showing a reptillian "Bunyip" standing on its hind legs. This looks very much like a large lizard and nothing like a Tyrannosaurus.

"Cryptozoologist" also illustrates a reconstruction of similar "Dinosaur" reports from Northern Chile in South America. I had made mention of similar reports from Peru (Other side of the Andes) in regards to the Chupacabras discussion earlier, and I believe there was also a description from Chile that specified there was a sawtoothed ridge down the back. This would be an unusual iguana lizard of large size but little doubt that it IS an iguana lizard: size range estimates of this range from two to four meters long, pretty consistently throughout South America wherever it is reported. That is the exact size of the Komodo Dragon (Eberhart lists the type as "Venezuelan Monitor Lizards")

I just add this at the end as independant confirmation of the information that I have been sharing on the subject.

Best Wishes, Dale D.