Siberian Almas illustration

Posted by the Ohio Bigfoot Conference:

Siberian Almas illustration

"Here's a beautiful artistic depiction of an Alma from eastern Russia.
The eyes really stand out from a creepy perspective."

"Dan Baker said it was done by Kainan Jordan.... Thanks Dan."

To which I added my own additional notes:

Same as our Eastern Bigfoot

Dale Drinnon: In this version as well as several from North America, the male is in the process of balding. They seldom go completely bald on top (but it happens): more usually the hair thins until there is only a sparse cover. The pattern of balding is the same as in certain human ethnic groups where the males tend to go bald. The big red eyes are also exactly the same, and this old fellow looks like he has some broken teeth. I think the nose is also similar but reports mentioning the nose also tell of a variety of shapes.
17 hours ago ( 7 AM EST)
Dale Drinnon: The head tends to dome up in this sort, but it might be anywhere from flat on top to egg-shaped like this one: and the hair on top of it can also form a peak (it can also be bushy and stand out all over) 17 hours ago

Fraser N Hesse: That's an amazingly good one! Very well done!
 about an hour ago

Taylor Esteban Englert: I look for Nantiinaq in AK, very similar- Rumor is two towns had to be vacated after attacks on loggers in Portlock, and Port Chatham. The State then made it the first State Park during the 40's, to keep people away.
19 minutes ago

Dale Drinnon: Thanks for sharing that
19 minutes ago
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Taylor Esteban Englert: They only live close with black bears,and cant compete with brown bears, and avoid them they say.Supposedly they still live around Diablo mt.

[-This last part concerning the bears makes sense and could have something to do with the distribution of reports-DD]

More From Larry Surface

Larry Surface is a friend of mine on Facebook and he has provided what I consider to be the crucial proof that the Eastern Bigfoot is indeed the same as the Gardar man from Greenland. You may recall the comparisons I did earlier that included this skull overlay: Those were based on Larry's charts and drawings (Following include my modification of keeping the sample Kansas mound skull as a constant frame of reference).

Below, Larry Surface with some typical and diagnostic Eastern Bigfoot tracks from Ohio

 "The PG film subject which I regard as authentic, pointed  head profile caused by hair, skin grey, lends authenticity to Brisson photo".

"I believe there are two types (races) of wild Primates in North America. I have already depicted one of them in previous posts. This second type is more familiar because of the PG film. This type has a relatively smaller skull. It is flattened on the back which gives a pointed appearance when seen from the side. The face is relatively much wider than type one. There are a few reliable photos to support these two types." 

Ken Hartung replied: Yes, i have seen two types, one has flat head and other has cone head."

White Bigfoot from trailcam video, both sides mirrored

 

 Trailcam photo by reliable people shows white skin, adds  authenticity to the Pa video with white skin[and hair].

 

  Trailcam video showing the Bigfoot type in question with a growth of fuzzy hair all over the face except for the eyes. This is also specified in several separate reports entered in by people that had no contact with each other. Below is Larry Surface's reconstruction drawing of the "Ohio Wildman" showing this trait. "Wildman" is the historically accurate term to use for this type.

                              Some more drawings by Larry Surface showing the hairy face effect.

Others have a more marked and developed regular moustache and beard 

 

Below several drawings representing activities of these Ohio Wildmen

 

The first one is a representation of what another nighttime trailcam videos shows,

 the Wildman is seen to be chasing a young raccoon

 

 

And next a pack of hounds learns the hard way not to mess with the big guy...

http://wildmanohio.blogspot.com/2013/12/dogging-bigfoot.html

 

(Which is also rather schematic but does give a pretty good idea of relative

 width proportion and relative lengths of the limbs, and the head is round again)

 

 

And then a couple of depictions of the older generation teaching the younger one...

 

 

Notice the use of sticks as tools in this type.

 

 

 Several other supplementary portraits of the eastern "Roundheaded" Bigfoot, as opposed to the pointed-headed kind, from Mike Beers

"You can please some of the people all of the time. You can please all of the people some of the time. But you can NEVER please all of the people all of the time."

Abraham Lincoln was so right on the money when he made the above statement!!!

Just to make myself perfectly clear, I'm NOT conducting my Habituation Research to make everyone happy. I'm simply doing it to gain the trust of the Bigfoot/Forest People so I can eventually hold the Toddler on my lap while my boy pl...ays with the Juvenile in the woods.

I also report on what I'm doing as an attempt to role model and encourage others to approach the Squatches in a more effective and RESPECTFUL manner instead of the ineffective aggressive "In Your Face" Research methods currently being used by most Bigfooters today (as I did for the first 10 years as well).

Really???!!! Screaming at them? Pounding on trees? Placing cameras up in their home? Invading their bedding areas? Would you want someone to come into your home and scream at you, pound on your walls, hang up cameras, and invade your Master Bedroom?

My intent is to gain their trust, video tape the collection of DNA samples, and prove their existence without having to provide a body (dead or alive). Then we can move forward with passing the necessary Laws to protect them as well as their habitat.

I understand that some of you think that the Squatches are doing fine on their own. You think that the Squatches don't need our help. Well, at present, I totally agree with you. HOWEVER, your point of view is myopic/near-sighted. You're NOT seeing the BIG PICTURE.

In 400 short years, the USA has grown from 500 colonists settlers on the East Coast to over 330 million people from coast to coast..... with everything paved in between the two coasts. What's it going to be like in another 100, 200, 300, or 400 years? NOW IS THE TIME TO PROTECT THEM. Now is not too late. On the other hand, if we wait 100, 200, 300, or 400 years before we take the necessary steps to protect the Squatches and their habitat....... well...... then they're screwed. 

http://www.teamsquatchinusa.com/analysis-of-soha-by-michael-beers-and-gunnar-monson-november-16-2013/

An Exemplary Wildman

 

From one of the many sources on Facebook comes this intriguing picture of a father Woodwose (Wood Man or Wildman) defending his child against an armed and armoured knight using one of the Wodewose's main weapons-a log. This is probably from the Holy Roman Empire in the 1500s and hence is probably Renaissance rather than strictly medieval. The interesting part of this is that the Wodewose "cub" is covered with thick short reddish hair, which Ivan Sanderson had noted seemed to be a characteristic of the Cental Asian Almas (Or Wildman once again)

 

The classical source on Wodewoses is Wild Men In The Middle Ages; A Study In Art, Sentiment, And Demonology by Richard Bernheimer

 

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3278885-wild-men-in-the-middle-ages-a-study-in-art-sentiment-and-demonology

 

http://www.amazon.com/Wild-Men-Middle-Ages-Demonology/dp/0374906165

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_man

Bigfoot Chicks With African Archive Report

This old article from 1867 is an incredible account of a lion hunter's run in with a 7 foot tall African Wild Man. When the hunter discovers that someone was taking his catch, he sets out in pursuit of the culprit. What happens next is truly shocking. You will be sucked into this story and amazed at the drama that unfolds when one man loses his life and the lion hunter has a show down with an alleged Bigfoot.


See article below.



Frederick, Maryland, Saturday, July 30, 1892
Africa's Giant Wild Man
The Fierce Savage Who Was Slain By A Lion Hunter

Late in 1867 a fatal epidemic broke out among the captive lions in all parts of the world. It was very like the epizooty which struck the horses five years later, but nearly all the lions died, and so the price rose 200 or 300 percent. This excited great activity among the famous lion hunters of Quillimane, East Africa, who usually capture the animals by the covered pit method.

The agent of a great Hamburg animal house penetrated to the main lion range near Lake Nyassa, employed forty-two negroes and had captured one lion and a few inferior beasts when he discovered that some mysterious creature was interfering with his pits. One morning his men found a magnificent male lion dead in a pit. Apparently he had been killed by a sharp pointed stake, and there were huge tracks about, somewhat like those of a gorilla.

"I was satisfied," says the agent in his report,"that no one but a man could make use of such a pole. Indeed the fact of the pole's being hardened by fire was proof sufficient that a man was engaged in the work. He must be a native of course, and he must also be a wild man. After holding a council with three or four of my best men we started out in parties of ten to hunt down the wild man. Each of my men had a cheap English musket and knew how to use it , and the order was to fire at the man at sight. To brace up the courage of the natives I offered a reward of ten dollars to whoever should fire the lucky shot. The four parties took different directions. The one I headed went to the north, where there was a long stretch of almost impenetrable thicket, with various paths traversing it in different directions.

"We had turned back and the last man had just fallen in line when I heard a shot and a cry of alarm. The three natives next behind me dodged under my arm and made off down the path, while the others were so upset that it took me three or four minutes to ascertain what had happened. The wild man had been concealed behind a big tree near the path. He leaped out and struck the last man a blow with his club which killed him. The wild man bounded into the brush and disappeared but my men were panic stricken.

"When I announced my intention next morning to hunt him the whole gang of blacks broke into lamentations. One young man, however, said: "I see, master, that if we do not kill this thing he will kill all of our lions and many of us. If we move away he will probably follow. It is our business to kill him at once. I am only a young man, but I will go with you and do my best."

FACING THE WILD MAN

"We agreed that in case we met the wild man face to face he was to fire and then drop to the earth and give me a show. About three miles from camp, and as the path ascended a ridge, my companion halted, pointed at a broad tree on the left and whispered, "Master, do yo see that his house is there among the branches?"

"I could make out a platform of sticks and branches, and now I took the advance. My weapons were a rifle and a revolver. We crept cautiously forward until right under the platform, and after a few seconds both of us made out a black foot and leg hanging down between the poles. The wild man was at home, but the next thing was how to deal with him. I had more fear of his getting away than I had of his hurting us. I finally posted myself to the west, believing he would make for a thicket in that direction as soon as disturbed, and at a signal the young man fired at the nest. The report of his gun was followed by a most unearthly yell and it was yet ringing in my ears when I saw a dark object dropping off the platform to the earth. It was the wild man. The young man stood where he had fired, and before he could realize what was happening the monster was upon him. He was picked up and flung almost at my feet and as he landed he called to me: "I am not much hurt, master? Be sure that you kill him for he is a terribly strong fellow!"

"The man didn't seek safety in flight. On the contrary, he picked up a limb, broke off a part of it for a club and slowly advanced upon us, his eyes flashing, his teeth gritting and his face expressing fury. I had my rifle to my face and I let him come within ten feet before I fired. He was shot between the eyes and he fell back so dead that he never moved a finger. When we came to examine him we go frightened. His height was seven feet by the tape line, and he seemed to be all muscle.

"I haven't the least doubt that a slap from his big right hand would have killed any of us stone dead. He had tremendous shoulders, with muscles bunched up in a wonderful way, while his fingers were long and the nails on them almost like claws. Hundreds of natives came to look at the body, but none could remember of having seen the man before. Freed from his interference with our enterprise we had no more trouble, and during the next sixty days we caught and dispatched to the coast eleven handsome lions as ever. "

http://bigfootchicks.blogspot.com/2012/10/lion-hunter-has-showdown-with-african.html?spref=fb

Dale Drinnon I had heard something like this long ago, but not the same report: in the other report the Wild Man was throwing rocks. his would be the biggest form of "Mr X" and the only one that is really worthwhile: and it sounds like a survival of Rhodesian Man or Kabwe man, which could regularly be up to 6'6" tall and was a close relative of the Heidelberg man in Eurasia


Rhodesian Man, clip art

Saturday September 15, 2012

One Big foot for Hubei

The home of Bigfoot in China seeks to boost eco-tourism.
SHENNONGJIA, a forest region and long rumoured to be home of the elusive and “mythical” Bigfoot in the central province of Hubei, China, is looking into developing its eco-tourism to boost the region’s economy.
Less than two months after the Shennongjia Nature Reserve was given a 5A-Class Scenic Spot classification, China’s highest official ranking of scenery spots, the region has teamed up with Beijing to seek its help in developing its tourism industry following an agreement signed between Shennongjia and Beijing municipal commission of tourism development, Xinhua news agency reported.
Travel agencies in Beijing will launch several tour programmes, and the Chinese capital has agreed to provide training for tourism professionals in the underdeveloped region, said Shennongjia forest region party chief Qian Yuankun.
Qian believes an eco-tourism boom is impending in the coming years with Shennongjia’s first airport expected to be completed next year.

 It seems the big, mysterious, bipedal ape-man isn’t just confined to the US. China and even Malaysia seem to have them too. The sketch above is from johorhominid.org of the Malaysian variety.
 

Qu Hao, an official with the state-owned Shennong Tourism Company, said Beijing may send chartered flights or trains to Shennongjia during peak seasons as getting to the mountainous region can be challenging.
Located deep in the remote mountains in Hubei, Shennongjia Nature Reserve has long been rumoured to be home of the elusive creature known in China as Yeren or “Wildman” in English. It is often referred to as “Bigfoot” after the legendary North American ape-man.
More than 400 people have claimed sightings of Bigfoot in the Shennongjia region over the last century, but no evidence has been found to prove the creature’s existence. The region is also home to the rare golden monkeys, which are on the verge of extinction and were first spotted in Shennongjia in the 1960s.
Dubbed “Noah’s Arc”, the region provided shelter and protection for animals and plants against glacier activities some 2.5 million years ago.
Shennongjia, with its abundant rain and water resources and a middle-latitude location, is today home to more than 3,700 plant species and some 1,050 animal species. At least 40 plant species and 70 animal species are under key state protection.
Shennongjia was placed on the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO)’s World Network of Biosphere Reserves list in 1990.

Source

 

Once Again for India, China, Tibet and Southeast Asia generally we are indicated to have a major kind of unknown primate of very large size that is quite rare, which leaves footprints of human shape but from 13 inches long to over 22 inches long, but 14 to 18 inches are typical. This is identical to the Sasquatch and is probably Gigantopithecus. The smaller mainland ape is called the Mawas in Malaysia, Xing-Xing in China and "Bigmonkey" (Olo-Bandar or Mahalangur) in India and Nepal and it is the type illustrated above as the Malaysian kind in the article above and again to the left. It is an ape related to the orangutan and possibly identical also to the Orang Pendek (Orang Padak in Malaysia)-the classification remains controversial at present. Mawas and Xing-Xing are names which are definitely used to mean orangutan also. One site gives the description which follows:

Also known as the Orang Mawa or the Malaysian Mawa, the Johor Hominid is a bipedal, ape-like cryptid that reportedly inhabits the [248 million-year-old] Johor jungle of Malaysia. Witnesses say the creature is covered in black fur, stands up to 12 feet (3.6 m) tall, and subsists on a diet of fish, fruit, and according to some reports, wild boar. The Orang Asli natives refer to the Johor Hominid as “Hantu jarang gigi”, which translates to “Snaggle-toothed Ghost.”
Reported sightings of the Johor Hominid date back as early as the late 1800s. The latter-half of the last century saw evidence of the creature’s existence in the form of large footprints, each with four toes and roughly 18 inches (45.7cm) long, found in 1995. In 2005, witnesses reported seeing a Johor Bigfoot family, including parents and a juvenile, near the Kincin River, where more footprints were later found. This description is more of the Sasquatch type. I have set the date of the jungle off by brackets because that date obviously represents the date of the bedrock and not the jungle which currently grows on top of it.

 

Gigantopithecus,_Museum_of_Man,_San_Diego (file name) From Wikipedia

Also at the same time there is the more usual Wildman type to which Ivan Sanderson allocated two categories in the region: one in Southern China and the other in Malaysia. The latter is the more humanoid "Hominid" reported in the Johor region but also in all of the other territories. It also seems identical to both the Iceman, Vietnamese Wildman and Central Asiatic Almas by consensus of opinion of most Cryptozoologists. There is a problem that in any given region, all of these categories could very well be covered by the same name: Yeren in China, Yeti in Tibet and Orang Gugu (gigi) in Malaya. That is why Cryptozoologists have got to be more careful in the names they are choosing to throw around so casually.

 

Dr. Jeff Medrum's Presentation at Richland, WA Sasquatch Conference Pt 1/4

Saturday, May 19, 2012

WATCH: Dr. Jeff Medrum's Presentation at Richland, WA Sasquatch Conference Pt 1/4

Posted by Guy Edwards

Dr Jeff Meldrum at the Richland, WA Sasquatch Conference

Below is one of four video excerpts from the Dr. Jeff Meldrum's presentation at Thom Cantrall's Pacific Northwest Conference on Primal People (Sasquatch). (You can view Part 1 | Part 2 | Part 3)

Richland WA PNW Bigfoot Conference 2012: Dr. Jeff Meldrum Part 1

In the first video, Dr. Jeff Meldrum discusses his new publication the Relict Hominoid Inquiry. According to the Relict Homoid Inquiry website:

The objective of the RHI is to promote research and provide a refereed venue for the dissemination of scholarly peer-reviewed papers exploring and evaluating the possible existence and nature of relict hominoid species around the world.

A strictly on-line free access publication, the RHI contains primarily Research Articles, as well as Commentary & Responses, Brief Communications, Essays, News &; Views, and Book Reviews.

An interesting point made by Dr. Meldrum is how the hairy-man myth is widespread but not universal. An important distinction. If the hairy-man was universal, it could be written off as a projection of human experience. This reminds us of the Jungian Archetypes, that Carl Jung suggests that are innate in our DNA. Dr. Meldrum is suggests these are not archetypes, these are not manifestations of the human psyche.

Finally, Dr. Meldrum uses an illustration from 1763 containing four mysterious primates. 1. Troglodyta Bontii, 2. Lucifer Aldrovandi, 3. Satyrus Tulpii, 4. Pygmaeus Edwardi

Anthropomorpha depicted in Hoppius' Amoenitates Academicae (1763)

The last three images have been associated to 2. Gibbon, 3. Chimpanzee 4. Orangutan respectively. This leaves the first illustration, Troglodyta Bontii, unidentified. Could it be the Sasquatch?

Watch the video below as Dr. Jeff Meldrum touches on each of these subjects in greater detail.

http://aleph0.clarku.edu/huxley/CE7/NatHis.html
.....
[Essays by Thomas Huxley]

Linnæus knew nothing, of his own observation, of the man-like Apes of either Africa or Asia, but a dissertation by his pupil Hoppius in the "Amœnitates Academicæ" (VI. "Anthropomorpha") may be regarded as embodying his views respecting these animals.

From the Wikipedia,

The dissertation is illustrated by a plate, of which the accompanying woodcut, Fig, 6, is a reduced copy, The figures are entitled (from left to right 1. Troglodyta Bontii; 2. Lucifer Aldrovandi; 3. Satyrus Tulpii; 4. Pygmæus Edwardi. The first is a bad copy of Bontius' fictitious "Ourang-outang," in whose existence, however, Linnæus appears to have fully believed; for in the standard edition of the "Systema Naturæ," it is enumerated as a second species of Homo; "H. nocturnus." Lucifer Aldrovandi is a copy of a figure in Aldrovandus, "De Quadrupedibus digitatis viviparis," Lib. 2, p. 249 (1645) entitled "Cercopithecus formæ raræ Barbilius vocatus et originem a china ducebat." Hoppius [18] is of opinion that this may be one of that cat-tailed people, of whom Nicolaus Köping affirms that they eat a boat's crew, "gubernator navis" and all! In the "Systema Naturæ" Linnaeus calls it in a note, Homo caudatus,and seems inclined to regard it as a third species of man. According to Temminck, Satyrus Tulpii is a copy of the figure of a Chimpanzee published by Scotin in 1738, which I have not seen. It is the Satyrus indicus of the "Systema Naturæ," and is regarded by Linnæus as possibly a distinct species from Satyrus sylvestris. The last, named Pygmæus Edwardi, is copied from the figure of a young "Man of the Woods," or true Orang-Utan, given in Edwards' "Gleanings of Natural History" (1758).

http://www.archive.org/stream/monographonalbin11pear/monographonalbin11pear_djvu.txt

Bontius (see Bibl. 26, p. 84) gives one of the earliest accounts of the ourang-
outang, which name he says the Javanese give it because it is a man of the woods,
Homo sylvestris. He says that the Javanese assert that it arises from the lust of the
Indian women, who mix with the apes — a tale he does not appear to credit. He
desci'ibes the rather human characteristics of the female, and figures her as a sort of
hairy woman, not much resembling our idea of the ourang-outang. He identifies this
Homo sylvestris or ourang-outang with Pliny's Satyr [Nat. Hist. Lib. vii. cap. 2).
There is nothing about pigmentation or sight, but the whole tale, without apparently
the least hesitation, was afterwards transferred to the albino (including the legend of
being the hybrid of man and ape !). Bontius is not responsible. He gives a bad cut
of an aboriginal or a beast he had probably never seen close at hand (see our Plate r/) ;
It remained for Linnaeus to identify this ourang-outang and the albino !

From Helmut Loofs-Wissowa:

Research in unidentified hominoids in Southeast Asia can be said to have begun in the 17th century with the works of Jakob de Bondt, alias "Bontius," a Dutch physician in Batavia (now Jakarta). But from then on, what happened in this field of research in Southeast Asia had its repercussions throughout the world to this day. To begin with, this research started here not with a whisper but with a bang: a monumental misunderstanding regarding the name Orangutan (Malay for "Man of the woods"- or "Forestman") which is still with us and which it is about time to rectify once and for all.

Bontius came to Java in 1625 and stayed there until his death in 1631. During this time he wrote the pioneering work Historiae naturalis et medicae Indiae orientalis, published only in 1658 in Amsterdam. In it, he mentions anthropomorphic hairy creatures in Java, which, although not being humans, looked and behaved like them in all respects, except that they had no language, and to which he gave the name Ourang Outang or Homo silvestris (later sylvestris). It is now generally believed, even by the most prominent Western scholars, that this was of course the first reference to the ape orang-utan (Pongo pygmaeus). But this cannot be so for a number of reasons.
Bontius who himself saw several of these creatures of both sexes, only says that they were walking erect: utterly uncharacteristic for the mainly arboreal ape orang-utan that behaves awkwardly on the ground and rarely stands up at all. Furthermore, Bontius also refers back to Pliny the Elder who noted that there were, in the eastern regions of India, "Satyrs" who could run so fast that only the old and sick could be captured, and goes on to say how privileged he felt for having seen such creatures himself (although we do not know whether he had actually seen them running). However, the ability to run very fast is an attribute observed in many unidentified hominids, from the relic Neanderthal Enkidu in the Sumerian Gilgamesh epos who ran along with wild animals, to apemen in the Vietnamese Highlands chased without much success by the villagers; it is definitely not an attribute of the ape orangutan.
From two other contemporary Dutch travelers we have more information about the creatures Bontius described, confirming that they cannot be orang-utans. Thus we read that they communicate by "twittering" which is the precise word used independently by several informants describing wildmen in Indochina and the Caucasus; the noise orang-utans make has never been likened to the twitter of birds! We also read that the Javanese used to kill these apemen because they stole everything they possibly could overnight in their villages; this too, corresponds to the many reports by American soldiers in Vietnam of "gorillas" raiding their camps and is utterly unlike the behavior of orang-utans. Moreover, it is said that sometimes, instead of being killed, these hairy creatures were captured by the Javanese villagers and made to perform some manual domestic tasks such as fetching water; an orang-utan cannot do this. And finally, the arms of these apemen were said to descend to their knees; those of orang-utans are much longer.
But there is still the controversial matter of the drawing of such a female Homo sylvestris Bontius published with his report and which is generally taken to "obviously" be that of a very hairy sapiens woman because of her human limb proportions and her human vulva. Therefore, it is argued, Bontius cannot be trusted. It seems to me, however, that it was rather the draftsman who could not be trusted to have faithfully drawn, true to nature, a creature the nature of which he was not familiar with. To accuse Bontius of such a pointless misconstruction or even a deliberate attempt to trick his readers seems somewhat hasty. Incidentally, how do we know what the vulva of a Wild-woman really looks like? In any case, we may conclude that the good doctor's hairy bipedal creatures can definitely not have been orang-utans.
An early 18th century account from Borneo also strongly supports the conviction that creatures locally referred to as Forestmen cannot be the ape orang-utan. The first Englishman to write about Dutch Borneo, Captain Daniel Beeckman, notes in his A Voyage to and from the Island of Borneo (1718): "The Monkeys, Apes, and Baboons are of many different Sorts and Shapes; but the most remarkable are those they call "Oranootans," which in their Language signifies Men of the Woods: these grow up to be six foot high; they walk upright, have longer arms than man, tolerably good faces (handsomer I am sure than some Hottentots that I have seen), large teeth, no tails nor hair, but on those parts where it grows on humane bodies; they are nimble footed and mighty strong; they throw great stones, sticks, and billets at those persons that offend them." I wonder how any primatologist could really identify this tall, bipedal, nimble-footed almost glamorous"handsome" creature with a crouching longhaired hideous orang-utan. Nothing fits. This simply had to be the description of a Wildman.
Consequently, it was mainly on the strength of Bontius' report that the great Linnaeus (1707-1778), bold inventor of the order of Primates, made room in his Systema naturae for a separate human genus Troglodytes in which Homo sylvestris orang outang had pride of place. Thus, by the middle of the 18th century the existence of at least one more species of man next to Homo sapiens was generally accepted; he had found his legitimate place in Nature's complicated but nevertheless logical system and in particular in that of the primates. At the end of the chapter dealing with the classification of humans and apes in the 12th edition of his Systema, the last in his lifetime, Linnaeus wrote prophetically "what else has been revealed must be explained by theologians".
Sure enough, one of his disciples, the strongly Protestant Swabian medical professor Johann Friedrich Gmelin (1748-1804) who supervised the 13th edition of Systema naturae in 1789, took it upon himself to correct Linnaeus' views concerning humans which he thought were blasphemous and against the teaching of the Church, by simply eliminating any reference to men other than Homo sapiens from the Systema. God, Gmelin argued, created Man in His own image and this man could only have been Homo sapiens as God could not possibly look like an apeman; makes sense, does it not? A truly paradoxical situation developed therefore whereby the name Orang outang which was coined to scientifically designate a human being other than Homo sapiens, but which has always been applied by Malay speakers to various perfectly sapiens forest dwellers such as the Siamang or the Sakai, has become in the West that of the red-haired ape which at home is called by names not including the "man" component, such as mawa, maia or mias.
The unfortunate result of this development was that in Western science the quest for Forest Man was abandoned as useless and whenever there were rumors about such beings in Southeast Asia it was automatically assumed that they must refer to the incorrectly named ape orang-utan!
[Below, Alika Lindbergh's illustration of the Surviving Neanderthal man from Loofs-Wissow's article, taken from Heuvelman's book about the Minnesota Iceman]

Although Bontius localized the "Wildmen of the Woods" in Indonesia, in the 1600s it would have been recognised as identical to the Wildmen (Homo sylvestris) still being commonly seen, reported and illustrated in Europe: also being called "Cavemen" and "Apemen" even then.

An array of Wildmen illustrations. Upper Left, the "King of the Wildmen" as illustrated on a pack of playing cards from the 1600s. Upper Right, A more recent illustration of the traditional Wildman from a Fantasy context. Lower Left, a report of one of the "Forest People" of Vietnam, one of the sort that Loofs-Wissowa was talking about and was identifying as Bontius' "Ourang-outangs" and as Ivan Sanderson's Hairy Malaysian Submen. And at bottom right, reconstruction of the Wildman as a Living Neanderthal, Identical to the Iceman examined by Sanderson and Heuvelmans, which was Loofs-Wissowa's identification for the Wildmen in question.

Train Hits Sasquatch, Old News

http://daruc.pagesperso-orange.fr/white4.htm

Scott White's data
Train hits sasquatch

Scott White is an American, and a member of the International Bigfoot Society, who lives in France. He allowed me to publish here his interviews of witnesses, and his own sighting. Thanks to him. Interview with Barbara J - Interview with Mike G - Scott E White's encounter English Homepage General homepage 1880's (Published in the Western Bigfoot Society Track Record # 103) My name is Rita Swift. I live in Orange Co. California. In 1945, my grandfather George Huhn told me a story about the time his train hit a large Ape creature and bent the cow catcher on his train. This was in the 1880's and he was an engineer on a train that ran along the borders of the US and Canada. It was night, and all of a sudden their train hit something and they stopped the train, because the cowcatcher was dragging on the tracks. At first they thought it was a moose, but when they all got out with their lanterns, they discovered this huge smelly Ape, hung up in the catcher. They had only lanterns for light, and they were in the forest, basically in the middle of nowhere. It took most of the crew to pick it up and lift it into an open flat car. They noticed it was structured differently from a Gorilla of Ape, and smelled so bad, the crew got the smell on them. They left it on the flat car, because it took at least 2 hours to straighten out the cow catcher. Good thing my great grandfather was also a blacksmith. They were at least 2 hours from the next water tower and station of sorts. The break man noticed Indians sneaking around in the forest, but thought they had disappeared. When they were ready to go, the crew checked on their smelly passenger, but he was gone. They looked for tracks and decided the Indians had dragged it away into the forest and across a stream. They found the tracks and pieces of hair and of course the smell. They washed up in the stream and were glad to get rid of it. The smell had even remained in the flat car. My great grandfather took pieces of the hair back, and gave it to a doctor he knew in Michigan. They had all decided the creature had escaped from a circus or sideshow. Great grandfather thought it was 8 feet tall and weighed at least 500 lbs. It took six men to carry it off the tracks. When my daughter was a student at California State University at Fullerton in 1986, I met a Professor of Anthropology. The reason I was there, was I donated Indonesian Fighting Swords to her dept. They were very old and had belonged to my husband. I just didn't feel comfortable having them in my home anymore. I noticed in her office she had information on the walls about Big Foot. I told her the story and she believed it was documented. My grandfather said the Ape had a different face than what he remembered of a Gorilla. He said the teeth were like humans, but extremely wide and large. The body hair was thick dark brown, with light tipping and the eyes were large and dark. He said they agreed it was a male because of it's genitalia. Grandfather continued as a railroad engineer on the Colorado Wyoming line until he retired in 1925. He fought off outlaws with his six shooter from the cab. I have a photo of Grandfather with the crew, stopped in Eads, Colorado, with a large cannon hole in the side of the engine. This was in 1898, when some outlaws on horses pulled up an old Confederate cannon along the tracks, and fired at the engine. The crew chased them away, but left the train damaged. They were on their way to Durango carrying bank money from Denver. Grandfather would never tell stories that were not true. He was a devout Methodist, and said his prayers so loud every night, the whole house could hear him. He had originally come from Amish in Mercer, Co., Pa., but left to fight for the Union in the Civil War. His father did not accept his decision, and he never returned to Mercer Co. He was born in 1845 and died in 1947, in Claremont California. Scott White This is from a French site which calls all such creatures "Wildmen," here is their home page: YETI, BIGFOOT, YOWIE, YEREN, BARMANU, ETC. Why they do exist... and why we are not able to (more) find them...(updated 05/10/2003) New 05/10/2003 Scott White's Book of witnesses (in .pdf) Scott White, who lives in France, has asked me to publish these pieces. Thanks to him Interview with Barbara J - Train hits Sasquatch - Scott E White's encounter - Interview with Mike G Saggital crest, so what ? Some fossils Links More about Iceman Iceman Western Europe (!) 11/24/2002 Germany added My opinion... A poem And... Your opinion Return Click on each picture to know more... Unfortunately the rest of their photo-links are broken and the pictures missing Thhe opinions on the saggital crest are valueless in that they do not actually refer to a correct saggital crest at all.