Scott Mardis and Plesiosaurs of Lake Champlain

Scott Mardis sent this to my Facebook Wall yesterday and said " It's the unenhanced version of the previous Dennis Hall picture I sent you earlier"
After some discussion I said that there seemed to be two different objects of similar size and shape, facing in different directions but with about a hundred feet of open water in between them. And the objects seem to be differentiated into neck and back portions of equal length in either case. I made the following pasteup showing the object on the left in the orientation as shown and also reversed, and added the Mansi photo also including the reversed image of that one, for purposes of comparison.

The left hand object is not possibly a ripple in the water or any object such as a tree trunk lying flat in the water owing to the fact that the far end of it is clearly elevated above the surface.

While we both agree the Dennis Hall picture is too indistinct to be certain about, I did think the fact that the neck portion i all the objects was similar but for the fact that it seems flexible and is shown in different positions each time.

Katy Elizabeth then (separately) sent in a comparison of the Rhines underwater long necked creature photo
and said she thought it was possibly the same as the Mikko Takala photo object (In the last case I think it is more likely to be a branch in the water) However the Rhines underwater creature would also seem to have a neck that is a good match for the creature in the Lake Champlain images shown above.

Tracing Monsters, Cryptozoology 1987

From CRYPTOZOOLOGY Magazine from the Editor. Submitted by Scott Mardis.

Scott Mardis -You Can't Do That!

Scott Mardis has sent along another set of Lake Monster comparisons to Plesiosaurs and including some long-necked seal mockups. Most of these at first are from Loch Ness and then at the end are several from Lake Champlain. I will do editorializing nor yet interfere with what Scott is saying, whether I agree or disagree with him, except in one place where my different opinion is noted for the record.

At this juncture I really had to jump in because I differ in my interpretation of the head part of this underwater photo taken at Loch Ness: I think it is much smaller, as indicated below:

Scott interprets the head to be larger with an eye further back: Dale interprets the indications as meaning a smaller head with features further forward but also indicating a prominent Euryapsid skull marking in the back part of the skull. Dale feels he must insist on this point. The rest of the page shall be Scott's speculations only even in cases where I strongly disagree with him or I do not support everything as valid evidence the way that Scott does.

 

Comparison with the Long Necked Seal: the Long Necked Seal has a neck only half as long

Loch Ness Monster compared to fossil longnecked seal, reconstructions of the fossil seal at right

 

Below, mockup skeletons for Heuvelmans' Long-necked Sea Serpent assuming first

a camel-length neck and then a giraffe length neck for purposes of comparison.

 

 

 

Scott compares Sea Serpent reconstructions to his long necked seal mockup above

and below, Scott makes a mockup long necked Zueglodon for Roy Mackal.

 

Range of motion in an ordinary Plesiosaur neck (NOT an Elasmosar neck) used in the continuing comparisons following after:

Lake Champlain Plesiosaurs

Jeff Johnson's theoretical interpretation of the Sandra Mansi photo and an actual plesiosaur fossil in a limestone matrix from the U.K.. Jeff has modified the photo to indicate the theoretical body underwater

 Scott Mardis published these photo comparisons of the Mansi Lake Champlain creature with known skeleons of Plesiosaurs as they are on display in several museums. These are the actual skeletons and aere not "Corrected" in any way to make the body or neck seem unnaturally flexible.

And another lifesized museum model of this same kind of Plesiosaur that these Lake and Sea Monsters seem to be most closely related to.   Best Wishes, Dale D.