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| Jeff Johnson's theoretical interpretation of the Sandra Mansi photo and an actual plesiosaur fossil in a limestone matrix from the U.K.. Jeff has modified the photo to indicate the theoretical body underwater |
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Dale A. Drinnon has been a researcher in the field of Cryptozoology for the past 30+ years and has corresponded with Bernard Heuvelmans and Ivan T. Sanderson. He has a degree in Anthropology from Indiana University and is a freelance artist and writer. Motto: "I would rather be right and entirely alone than wrong in the company with all the rest of the world"--Ambroise Pare', "the father of modern surgery", in his refutation of fake unicorn horns.
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Friday, 16 November 2012
Lake Champlain Plesiosaurs
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the model is great to look at, I think we should be happy looking at 'what once was'.Interpreting the object on the right in the Mansi photo as a flipper rather than the back is certainly a new idea - but not one I can agree with. If this was simply a odd shaped log that happened to be floating on the surface, at least we got some excitement out of it.
ReplyDeleteNever seen a log shaped like that....doesn't sound far fetched to me that this Plesiosaur is in our waters.
ReplyDeleteIMO it looks like a Giant salamander's tail, perhaps fighting against another individual.
ReplyDeleteDespite Roy Mackal's assertion to the contrary, giant salamanders are not prone to sticking their tail ends up out of the water. However your suggestion that there are giant salamanders in Lake Champlain is novel and it would account for some reports of smaller "Lizard-shaped" monsters reported there. I would suggest we put a bookmark on that one and watch out to see if more reports of the type show up in the future. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteAs interesting as the above plesiosaur/"champ" photo comparisons are I think the Mansi "champ" photo is more recognizable as a piece of driftwood then a plesiosaur. Benjamin Radford did an analysis (probably the best one yet) of this photograph and reached the same conclusion. He also shows us a picture of a log found on the shore of Lake Champlain which could easily be mistaken as a "monster" if seen floating on the lake. I'm not saying that the photo no longer needs to be investigated. It's just that the photo doesn't seem to show an animate object. You can read Radford's article at Skepticle Inquirer.com
ReplyDeleteBy the way, the museum model of a plesiosaur shown above has the nostrils incorrectly positioned at the end of the snout.
Joe.
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ReplyDeleteThe comparison in question is the work of Scott Mardis, who is the proper one to reply (My initial and just-deleted reply was misdirected owing to the fact that I thought you were posting a comment on a later different article on Champ that I had just put up separately.) I have myself pubished an article agreeing with Benjamin Radford.
ReplyDeleteScott Mardis is publishing an alternative point of view in hopes of stimulating interest on the subject. For those purposes I have opted to remain neutral. The readers are invited to examine the evidence and decide for themselves. Which is what you have done and that's fine with me.
Thank you for pointing that out about the museum model being wrong in respect to the placement of the nostrils. In bona fide Longneck reports it seems the nostrils are indeed placed on top of the head and in front of the eyes. When "Horseheaded" reports specify large round nostrils at the end of the snout, like a horse's nostrils, those reports are NOT Longnecks but are mistaken obsevations, most usually views of swimming mooses, which do have their nostrils in that position.
Thank you for writing,
Best Wishes, Dale D.
It's unusual to hear a cryptozoologist of the "believer" sort say that Mansi's famous photo shouldn't be used as "evidence" for the existance of long-necked sea serpents. With the debunking of the Mansi photo (and the Rhine's alleged "flipper" photograph shown to be sediment on the bottom of the loch) it must be a lot harder for cryptozoologists to insist that long-necked sea serpents exist.
ReplyDeleteIts not unusual to heart a blanket prejudicial and unthinking statement of the sort you just made as coming from the skeptical community. It seems once again you are having trouble with the concept that Scott Mardis and Dale Drinnon are two separate people who might hold different opinions on the subject. Each one of us goes by whatever evidence seems to be the best for them: Scott Mardis is the more conservative sort who believes that most evidence taken to support the idea of Long-Necked Sea Serpents must be defended to better the case for the Sea Serpent: Dale Drinnon believes that the case is adequately proven by witness' agreement on specific details of Plesiosaurian anatomy worldwide, including among primitive peoples, including the recurring insistence that the skull has euryapsid openings behind the eyes, from all sorts of people who did not know eack other beforehand to conspire to tell the same story. It also occurs to me that you frequently come around at prime drinking hours and make feeble insinuations of this sort rather than making any good firm statements of fact and NOT mere assertions of opinion. And I warn you once again: please keep to the point, no scattergunning of arguments and kindly refrain from inferred innuendo in your comments. Let's try to keep it civil.
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