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Friday, 18 April 2014

Longnecks and Cryptoclidus

I was jus sent this pasteup by Jay Cooney and I thought our comments were worth sharing.

Jay: I just realized the Rines–O'Connor connection today [photo collage above]

Dale: Hey great, I never saw them together in a package before, I think I'll run that.

Jay: Yes, my thoughts exactly. They complement one another! Not to direct scale but they all have similar appearances

Dale: Yes, and you can make an interesting point about the apparent length of the neck when angled head-on and then again when angled tail end on Its almost a sort of optical illusion

Jay: That skeleton is the best Do you know what species it is?

Dale: Its a basic Cryptoclidus oxoniensis, isn't it?

Jay: If it, then excellent

Dale: Isn't it the same as the AMNH mounted skeleton reversed (this from The Plesiosaur Directory)?

Jay: Fantastic! Cryptoclidus oxoniensis seems to fit longnecks to a t!

Dale: Good sturdy utility taxon, I've learned to appreciate it

Jay: Matches the Rines photographs, O'Connor photograph, Bodette footage, upturned boat humps, split tails, rhomboidal flippers, "muppet heads", land sightings, and more!


Dale: Thanks I think I'll quote you on that! .

Jay: Add more to that if you want, we're basically on the same page as to this stuff .
        Mostly, that is .

Dale: Im fine with that "mostly", believe me.

Jay:  Good .
         Makes more sense for our snake-headed New England sightings too .

Dale: Big lot of those too, actually(starting in the 1700s): only thing is the older ones tended to have
       some confusions with the wake. But you even have New England rock art that looks that way

Cryptoclidus and Mansi Photo at Lake Champlain
Arthur Grant Land Sighting at Loch Ness and Cryptoclidus from Walking with Dinosaurs
Both Jay and Dale are now working on longer articles developing this idea but Dale thought it
 would be informative for others to see the way the idea was coming together for the two of us.


  1. Weren't plesiosaurs incapable of locomotion on land?

    1. Wherever are you getting this stuff? the point is generally conceded for most Plesiosaurs but probably the Elasmosaurs would have difficulty because of the long neck. I know of no resources that say so about Elasmosaurs though, most of the literature assumes amphibious locomotion was possible in Plesiosaurs. And the picture taken from Walking With Dinosaurs shows the Plesiosaur out on land.

  2. You're not saying that any plesiosaurs crawled up onto the land to lay their eggs, are you? Because that notion has been debunked by the discovery of a pregnant polycotylus.

    1. No, the anatomical ability for land locomotion does not disappear merely because the mode of reproduction has been proven otherwise. The evidence for Plesiosaurs going out on land has always revolved around the fact that they have mighty solid underparts that look as though they were adapted for locomotion on land.

      You also seem to be forgetting I put you on probation here a while back basically for saying stupid things without thinking. You're pushing your luck again.


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