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Monday, 3 March 2014

Sea Giraffes Appendix

We had discussed the matter on the blog before at
But Jay Cooney and I had been discussing the matter again more extensively and these are some of my illustrations I had sent to him then. They had been waiting here unpublished until now.

Giraffe like "Caddy" (Off the West Coast of NA) compared to Corinthian SS (Off East Coast of NA)
Both of these sightings compared against Oudemans' composite model


Newspaper drawing of Corinthian SS (Inaccurate) compared to Oudemans SS composite reconstruction
Below, my statistical averages drawn from thousands of Longneck reports worldwide as matched against Hutchinson's SS, Bay of Meil in the Orkneys, 1910



Plesiosaur neck inserted for purposes of comparison
(Plesiosaur skeleton shown at bottom)

Hutchinson's SS off Orkneys (Scotland) is as high as the whole giraffe, not just the neck. That makes the neck approximately twice as long as the giraffe's neck and probably more. Below, Hutchinson's diagram of how he figured the height of the sea serpent "Periscope" by judging it against the mast of their boat and triangulating. Mr Hutchinson had submitted his report directly to Tim Dinsdale in 1960.


Below, Corinthian, Meil Bay, and my composite "Merhorses" (Mine in the brown colouration phase, both redbrown and greenish or olive brown both being regularly noted in such sightings with the reddish brown seen much more commonly. The giraffe-like mottled effect is one infrequent variation on the brownish one) Please note that in opposition to Heuvelmans' "Merhorse" description, the mane is stiff and stands up like a "fin"and the eyes are not large. The "Horns" appear to me to be the same material as the "Fins"




 
 
Neck Flexibilty possible in the long-necked Plesiosaur Muraenosaurus,
 from an illustration supplied by Scott Mardis
 
In the case of these sightings showing the whole length of the neck above the surface, the body can be assumed to be almost vertical below the surface.
 
 

Central European Water Monsters

The matter of Swiss Water-monsters and dragons  came up recently in regards to the "Nothosaur" said to reside in in Lake Como in Italy.
http://frontiersofzoology.blogspot.com/2013/12/lake-como-monster-italy.html
 I said a sequel was following then but there were delays, and so to contribute toward tat discussion, here is the information from George Eberhart's Mysterious Creatures (2002) concerning Water Monsters in the general area of the highlands of Central Europe:

Germany
Chiemsee, Bayern State. Max Pertl hooked a
huge fish on June 22, 1991, probably a Wels catfish
(Siluris glanis). Ulrich Magin, Trolle, Yetis,
Tatzelwürmer (Munich, Germany: C. H. Beck,
1993), pp. 48–49.
Frickenhausen, Bayern State, lake near. Johann
Nepomuk Sepp, Altbayerischer Sagenschatz zur
Bereicherung der indogermanischen Mythologie
(Munich, Germany: E. Stahl, 1876).
Mummelsee, Baden-Württemberg State.
Athanasius Kircher, Mundus subterraneus (Amsterdam:
J. Janssonium and E. Weyerstraten, 1665);
Hans Jakob Christoph von Grimmelshausen, Der
Abenteuerliche Simplicissimus Teutsch (Nuremberg,
Germany: Johann Fillion, 1669).
Seealpsee, Bayern State. Contains a sleeping
DRAGON. Karl Reiser, Sagen, Gebräuche und
Johann Nepomuk Sepp, Altbayerischer Sagenschatz
zur Bereicherung der indogermanischen Mythologie
(Munich, Germany: E. Stahl, 1876).
Starnbergersee, Bayern State. Legendary animal.
“Drache,” in Hanns Bächtold-Stäubli, ed., Handwörterbuch
des deutschen Aberglaubens (Berlin: W.
de Gruyter, 1929–1930).
Uelmansee, Rheinland-Pfalz State. Two huge
fish appeared before the death of an Uelman heir.
Philipp Wirtgen, Die Eifel in Bildern und Darstellungen
(Bonn, Germany: A. Henry, 1864–1866).
Walchensee, Bayern State. A “giant whale” [sturgeon?]or
serpent allegedly lives here. Friedrich Panzer, Bayerische
Sagen und Bräuche (Munich, Germany: C.
Kaiser, 1848–1855); Johann Nepomuk Sepp, Altbayerischer
Sagenschatz zur Bereicherung der indogermanischen
Mythologie (Munich, Germany: E.
Stahl, 1876).
Weiße Elster, Sachsen-Anhalt State. Huge fish.
August Witzschel, Sagen aus Thuringen (Vienna:
W. Bräumüller, 1866); Robert Eisel, Sagenbuch des
Voigtlandes (Gera, Germany: C. B. Griesbach,
1871).
Ziereinersee, Brandenburg State. Legendary animal.
“Drache,” in Hanns Bächtold-Stäubli, ed.,
Handwörterbuch des deutschen Aberglaubens
(Berlin: W. de Gruyter, 1929–1930).
Zwischenahner Meer, Niedersachsen State. A
12-foot animal was seen several times in April
1979. Possibly a Wels catfish (Siluris glanis). Die
Rheinpfalz, August 30, 1979; Ulrich Magin, “A
Brief Survey of Lake Monsters of Continental Europe,”
Fortean Times, no. 46 (Spring 1986):
52–59.

Italy
Lago Amadoier. Ulrich Magin, “A Brief Survey
of Lake Monsters of Continental Europe,” Fortean
Times, no. 46 (Spring 1986): 52–59.
Lago di Como, Lombardy. Rumors of a scaly
monster seemed to be verified when a large Sturgeon
(Acipenser sturio) was caught in November
1946, though a smugglers’ submarine was also
confiscated the following year. “Sea Monster Reported,”
New York World-Telegram, November
20, 1946; Gary S. Mangiacopra, “The Lake Como
Monster,” Pursuit, no. 71 (1985): 122–123.
Lago Maggiore, Piedmont.
Ulrich Magin, “A Brief Survey of Lake Monsters
of Continental Europe,” Fortean Times, no.
46 (Spring 1986): 52–59.
Po di Goro, Emilia-Romagna. A black, 10-foot
“snake with legs” was reported in June 1975 by
Maurizio Trombini. Experts claimed it was an escaped
crocodile. La Stampa (Turin), June 28–29,
1975; Edoardo Russo, “Meanwhile in Italy: The
Goro Monster,” Pursuit, no. 35 (Summer 1976): 62.
Die Rheinpfalz, July 21, 1982; Ulrich Magin,
“A Brief Survey of Lake Monsters of Continental
Europe,” Fortean Times, no. 46 (Spring 1986):
52–59.
Tiber River, Rome. In the sixth century, a
DRAGON appeared when the river was flooded. Its
body was like a large beam of wood. Gulielmus
Durantis, Rationale divinorum officiorum (Augsburg,
Germany: Günther Zainer, 1470).

Austria
River Glan, Kärnten State.
Goggau See, Kärnten State. Fish with a sawtooth
dorsal ridge. Georg Graber, Sagen aus Kärnten
(Graz, Austria: Leykam-Verlag, 1944).
Toplitzsee, Steiermark State. A 48-foot animal
bit through an underwater video cable and threatened
two divers. John Kirk, In the Domain of Lake
Monsters (Toronto, Canada: Key Porter Books,
1998), p. 244.[Possibly an exaggerated account of a big fish]
Urisee, Tirol State. “Seeschlange,” in Hanns
Bächtold-Stäubli, ed., Handwörterbuch des
deutschen Aberglaubens (Berlin: W. de Gruyter,
1929–1930).

Czech Republic
Zachrast’any, East Bohemian region, stream
near. Marie de Vaux Phalipau, Les chevaux merveilleux
dans l’histoire, la légende, les contes populaires
(Paris: J. Peyronnet, 1939), p. 258.

Switzerland
Doubs River, Canton Jura. A snakelike animal
with a blue back and yellow stomach was seen
in 1934. It moved by undulating.
New York Herald Tribune, June 20,
1934.
Lake Geneva, Canton Vaud. Ulrich Magin, “A
Brief Survey of Lake Monsters of Continental Europe,”
Fortean Times, no. 46 (Spring 1986):
52–59.
Reuss River, Canton Luzern. In 1468, a DRAGON
emerged from the Vierwaldstätter See and swam
into the River Reuss. Other appearances took place
in 1480 and 1566. Renward Cysat, Collectanea
chronica und denkwürdige Sachen pro chronica
Luchernensi et Helvetiae [1614] (Lucerne, Switzerland:
Diebold Schilling Verlag, 1961–1972); Johann
Jakob Scheuchzer, Helvetica (Leiden, the
Netherlands: Petri Vander Aa, 1723); Alois Lütolf,
Sagen, Bräuche, Legenden aus den fünf Orten Luzern,
Uri, Schwyz, Unterwalden und Zug (Lucerne,
Switzerland: J. Schiffmann, 1862); Theodor von
Liebenau, Das alte Luzern topographisch-kulturgeschichtlich
Geschildert (Lucerne, Switzerland:
C. F. Prell, 1881).
Rotsee, Canton Luzern. In 1599, a serpent
emerged from the lake and provoked a panic; an
animal that looked like a wooden beam also lived
there. Renward Cysat, Collectanea chronica und
denkwürdige Sachen pro chronica Luchernensi et
Helvetiae [1614] (Lucerne, Switzerland: Diebold
Schilling Verlag, 1961–1972); Johann Leopold
Cysat, Beschreibung dess berühmbten Lucerner- oder
4.Waldstätten Sees (Lucerne, Switzerland: David
Hautten, 1661).
Selisbergsee, Canton Uri.  See ELBST.
Elbst
F reshwater Monster of Switzerland.
Etymology: From the Old German albiz
(“swan”).[Alternately a reference to the Alps, ie, "Alpine"]
Physical description: Serpentine. Sometimes
looks like a drifting log. Reddish color.
Head the size of a pig’s. Scales. Clawed feet.
Behavior: Favors stormy weather. Creates a
big wake. Travels on land at night. Eats sheep and cattle.
Distribution: Selisbergsee, Canton Uri, Switzerland.
Significant sightings: First reported in 1585
and last seen in 1926 by workers building a new
road.
Sources: Renward Cysat, Collectanea chronica
und denkwürdige Sachen pro chronica Luchernensi
et Helvetiae [1614], vol. 4 (Lucerne,
Switzerland: Diebold Schilling Verlag,
1961–1972); C. Kohlrusch, ed., Schweizerisches
Sagenbuch (Leipzig, Germany: R. Hoffmann,
1854); Josef Müller, Sagen aus Uri aus dem
Volksmunde gesammelt, vol. 1 (Basel,
Switzerland: Gesellschaft für Folkskunde, 1926).

[Lake Zurich Monster noted on Cryptozoology message board]

[A similar water monster is reported in Romania, I do not know the name for it]

Former Yugoslavia
Carska bara, Serbia. Smashing, bubbling, and
croaking sounds are heard. Karl Shuker, “Serbian
Swamp Squid,” Fortean Times, no. 150 (October
2001): 21.

In the seventeenth century, the Olm
(Proteus anguineus), a cave-dwelling, aquatic
salamander of Yugoslavia and northern Italy,
was thought to be the offspring of a Dragon.
It has an eel-like body, white skin, three
pairs of external gills, four tiny legs, and
vestigial eyes. It grows to about 12 inches
long. When washed out of their caves by
heavy rainfall, Olms gather in deep pools,
but they will not voluntarily leave the water.

This potentially means that the young of dragons resemble olms.
Young dragons are supposed to be wormlike and they are called "Wyrms"

Most "Dragons" reported in this area are big water lizards that are often reported as being loglike, often in the range of 5-10 feet long: probably none of them are very large. Ordinarily they seem to be like the larger form of Tatzelwurm (with four legs) but this kind ordinarily lives in the water and does not usually leave it (They are commonly blamed for losses in livestock, however) they are ordinarily brownish or black on the back and paler on the belly, also said to be spotted . The head is big, round and blunt, and often compared to the head of a pig.    

Secondary regions where the same species seem to occur include the Celtic lands of the British Isles and around the Baltic Sea. They have been becoming scarcer throughout historic times.

It is probably the modern survival of Andrias Scheuchzeri the famous "Man witness to the Flood" fossil found near Lake Constance, which is on the border of Switzerland  
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrias_scheuchzeri  

 Andrias scheuchzeri is an extinct species of giant salamander, which only is known fromfossils. It lived from the Oligocene to the Pliocene.[1] It and the extant A. davidianus [The Chinese Giant Salamander] cannot be mutually diagnosed, and the latter, only described in 1871, is therefore sometimes considered a synonym of the former.[2]
History: In his book Lithographia Helvetica from 1726, Johann Jakob Scheuchzer described a Miocene fossil found in Oeningen as Homo diluvii testis (Latin: Man, a witness of the Deluge), believing it to be the remains of a human that drowned in the biblical Deluge. The fossil was about 1 m (3 ft) long, lacked its tail and hind legs, and could thus be interpreted as showing some resemblance to the remains of a violently trampled human child.
In 1758, the first to doubt his theory was Johannes Gessner, who thought it was a giant catfish (Siluris). In 1777 Petrus Camper thought it was a lizard (Lacerta), and at that time there was no differentiation between reptiles and amphibians by the scientific community. In 1802Martin van Marum bought this fossil along with a fossilized swordfish for 14 Louis d'or for the Teylers Museum, where it can still be seen in the original showcase. In 1811, the fossil was examined by Georges Cuvier, who recognized it definitively as not being human. After hacking away gently at the fossil, he uncovered the foremost limbs and the specimen was recognized as a giant salamander. The difference in color of the stone shows what Scheuchzer saw and what Cuvier later could see.
The specimen was renamed Salamandra scheuchzeri by Holl in 1831. The genus Andrias was only coined six years later by Johann Jakob von Tschudi. In doing so, both the genus,Andrias (which means image of man), and the specific name, scheuchzeri, ended up honouring Scheuchzer and his beliefs. The Teylers Museum has several other specimens in their collection in addition to this one. 
In Fiction: The fictional descendents of Andrias scheuchzeri are the primary antagonists in Karel Čapek's 1936 science fiction novel War with the Newts. 

Sources

  1. Jump up^ http://www.wahre-staerke.com/~madelaine/EGU2010_Andrias.pdf
  2. Jump up^ Amphibian Species of the World 5.1. Genus Andrias. Accessed 2008-04-10
"Homo Diluvii Testis"

  [Cryptobranchus is the Hellbender of North America and it is generally conceded that this is a separate but related genus of Giant salamander]



                        Above, the living version of the species from China, which is a "Known" animal
Below, range maps for the Chinese giant salamander and then the Japanese giant salamander map at bottom. I found a second Chinese giant salamander map showing reports from outlying districts and superimposed that on the other map. The base maps are from BBC Nature and the red dots map is attributed to TEN - Treasure Sites [Threatened Species - Endangered Reptiles & Amphibians] on the reference site where I got the information (Think Quest) [NB, the European creature is NOT a Cryptid if this is its true identity]



Homo_diluvii_testis_by_Gastrolito on Deviant Art

Friday, 28 February 2014

Surf Croc

http://www.1047.com.au/newsfeed/2014/2/broome-has-a-surfing-crocodile/

Posted: 25 February, 2014 by Brettney

OMG! It's A Surfing Crocodile

Broome's latest visitor to the beach!


Sharon Scoble


Sharon Scoble
Here's something you don't see everyday - a giant surfing crocodile!
The 4-metre croc forced the closure of Broome's Cable Beach on Saturday while he enjoyed surfing and paddling around.


[This is an Indopacific or Saltie croc [Crocodylus porosus] and not an especially large one, about 13 to 15 feet long. I include the article here because the crocodile has an unconfirmed even larger relative that is even more at home at the sea, and the appearance would be much the same only scaled up-DD]

Earlier Story:
http://www.1047.com.au/scoopla/trending-now/blog/2013/9/nudists-run-for-their-life-from-crocodiles/

Posted: 13 September, 2013 by Rosie

Nudists Run For Their Life From Crocodiles

Dangers of Broome beachlife!

Crocodile
If you're a nude sunbather - I think you're already taking enough risks we reckon. Not so, for thenudists of Northern West Australia who decided to go sunbathing tackle-out in an area where crocodiles are known to hang out.
The incident happened around 2:00pm on Monday on Cable Beach in Broome, when a crocodile was spotted by life guards and a swimmer. An alert went out about the three to four metre crocodile - and panic ensured.
"There was approximately 20 people in the water and 60 cars on the beach so we've just put signs on, made sure that everyone's aware that the beach was closed." said Lifeguard Supervisor Chase Lurati. 
"North of the rocks is the community beach which people go to naked. They all understand, they're all quite regular here."
What would you do if you were nude sunbathing and a crocodile appeared? Sprint off the beach without your clothes? Stay to get them and risk it? So many questions!

Loch Lomond Monster

Information from the Unknown Explorers site:
http://www.unknownexplorers.com/lomondmonster.php
Located in both the western lowlands of Central Scotland and the southern Highlands Loch Lomond has the largest surface area of any loch in Scotland and is second only to Loch Ness in volume. For centuries residents of the loch have reported sightings of a strange creature living in its waters. Though sightings of this creature are very rare, those sightings that have been reported seem to vary greatly when describing the creatures overall appearance. Some eyewitnesses describe the Lomond Monster as the traditional prehistoric plesiosaur like creature thought by many investigators to dwell in several of the Scottish lochs, including the most famous of these creatures, the Loch Ness Monster. The second description of the Lomond Monster, which seems to be unique among Scottish loch monsters, gives it the appearance of a large crocodile, an animal not known to live in Scotland. According to several eyewitnesses in 1997 a 12 foot long beast, described as a crocodile by one eyewitness, began devouring ducks in Loch Lomond. SSPCE spokes woman Doreen Graham received several calls in regards to the creature including one man’s report that he was watching a flock of ducks on the loch when one was suddenly pulled under the surface. Before long a group of friends shooting a video on the banks of Loch Lomond, near Rowardennan, claimed to have captured the creature on film. Edinburgh freelance journalist Nick Taylor, who was producing the film, claimed that while the group was packing up their gear they noticed the creature swimming not to far off shore. According to Taylor the beast was gliding through the water slowly, but often picked up speed and swam against the tide. The group had never seen anything like it before and described the creature as looking like a giant crocodile or alligator. Their tape found its way to the desk of Dr. Andrew Kitchener, of the Royal Museum of Scotland, who after viewing the tape admitted that the creature contained with in did appear to be a crocodile; however he made it clear that a crocodile would be unable to survive in Loch Lomond. Upon further inspection of the video Dr. Kitchener was able to rule out a mink or an otter as the creature in the videos identity. With all the attention given to the Loch Ness Monster very view scientific investigations into the Lomond Monster have been conducted, leaving the question of what is living in its depths a complete mystery. As it stands the only two descriptions of the beast seem to defy nature and time by thousands of miles and millions of years. The Evidence There is currently no physical evidence that would suggest a creature like the Lomond Monster is living in the cold depths of Loch Lomond. The Sightings In 1997, a film crew making a music video captured something unexplainable on film, possibly the Lomond Monster. The Stats– (Where applicable) • Classification: Lake Monster • Size: Roughly 12 in length • Weight: Unknown • Diet: Carnivorous (Includes fish and ducks) • Location: Loch Lomond, Scotland • Movement: Swimming • Environment: Loch (Freshwater lake)

Monster lakes in Scotland, Loch Lomond double-circled. All of these lakes including Loch Ness seem to host sightings of the "Master Otter" sort. Indications are that the beast encountered by St Columba at Loch Ness was also a Master Otter and  Viking-age artwork seems to confirm that notion.

                                    Early Irish depictions of Water Monsters (Piasts)

From the online dictionary of Celtic Supernatural creatures:

Dobhar-chu


(DO-wuhr-ckuh) "Water Hound"
Also known as the King Otter, this creature resembles a cross between an otter and a dog, but is larger than both. It inhabits lakes and large rivers, and behaves much like a crocodile, lunging out of the water to seize prey and drag it under to down it. However, it feeds on the shore, so remains can usually be found. It is said to have Faerie powers, and its pelt magical abilities, but it may be based on a real creature, a cryptid that may now be extinct.

http://forteanzoology.blogspot.com/2010/01/lindsay-selby-loch-lomond-crocodile.html

THURSDAY, JANUARY 28, 2010


LINDSAY SELBY: Loch Lomond Crocodile?

Located in both the lowlands and the southern Highlands of Scotland, Loch Lomond is second only to Loch Ness in volume of water. For years there have been reports by residents living near the loch of a strange creature seen in the water. Some eyewitnesses describe the creature as being like the Loch Ness monster, a plesiosaur like creature, others say it looks like a large crocodile.

Then several eyewitnesses in 1997 said they had seen a 12 foot long beast eating the ducks in Loch Lomond. This article appeared in the press:

Croc Lomond Monster ~ Mystery Of 'Beast' Caught On Film.

By Ray Notarangelo.

A mystery monster has been seen gobbling ducks in Loch Lomond. the 12ft long beast, now captured on video, has left scientists baffled.

One even said it looked like a giant crocodile? SSPCA chiefs yesterday confirmed they had received several reports about the new Nessie.

A five-minute film of the beast has been shot by pals making a pop video on the banks of Loch Lomond, near Rowardennan. Edinburgh freelance journalist Nick Taylor, who owns the film, said: "When the group were packing up they discovered this creature swimming in the water. The thing was gliding through the water slowly, but it often picked up speed and swam against the tide. They got quite a shock, especially when it started to swim towards them at one point. They thought it looked like some giant crocodile or alligator. They had never seen anything like it before.

SSPCE spokeswoman Doreen Graham said: "People came on the phone saying to us: 'I hope you don't think I'm mad, but I've seen a strange creature in Loch Lomond.' ~ One man told us they were looking at a flock of ducks on the loch when suddenly one was pulled under the surface. If anyone can solve the mystery we'd love to hear from them."

Source: Daily Record: 10th April 1997.

The film ended up on the desk of Dr. Andrew Kitchener, of the Royal Museum of Scotland. After viewing the tape he admitted that the creature it showed did appear to be a crocodile; however he made it clear that a crocodile would be unable to survive in Loch Lomond. Dr. Kitchener was able to rule out a mink or an otter as the creature in the videos identity.

So what was it? Well our old friend the sturgeon is a contender and does look reptilian , or even huge pike perhaps, they are known to eat ducklings. Could it have been an abandoned pet croc which got too big to look after? It would have survived for a short time but the cold would eventually have killed it. The mystery remains . If anyone knows of any more recent sightings please post a comment.
At the time I mentioned reports of "Salamanders" in various places (including Loch Ness) but on looking back over this it seems the size is more consistent with a "Master-Otter" It does not seem that a sturgeon would be likely in this location and the size is too great to be a pike.


 Atlantic Sturgeon washed ashore in New York state in 2013: they dont usually grow anywhere nearly as large as they used to get. Below, an ordinary otter looking very much like a log in the water.



The reports of a longer necked creature also in Loch Lomond could be a swimming deer: One youTube video seems to show a longer necked creature appear in a spray of water and then go under again shortly after that. However certain aspects of the transfer process as mentioned in the comments make this seem to be due to clever editing and digital manipulation

Garry Liimatta sighting off Vancouver Island, 1969

Scott Mardis sent me the details on this sighting and I reproduce his documents below: 




My opinion is that Liimata saw an elephant seal but esrtimated its size as too large, perhaps twice as large as it really was. This is a common mistake in sightings of unknown animals and especially at sea where size and distance can be difficult to judge. The head and hind flippers of the creature, and especially its slim and seal-like body, remind me of other osightings which turned out to be elephant seals on other occasions. Certainly this possibilitity is much better than the possibility the witness saw a much smaller leatherback turtle and made more of an exaggeration of the size, especially since the body was not turtle like in shape but more seal-shaped instead and the overhanging snout of an elephant seal has been interpreted as being like a hooked turtle's beak on other occasions: one of Heuvelmans' "Father of All the Turtles" sightings in Southern waters was very likely an elephant seal. Halving the dimensions gives the creature a four foot neck and a breadth of a yard, both of which are very reasonable estimates for an elephant seal.


 

Tuesday, 18 February 2014

Lake Champlain Gar and Sturgeon Sightings


ScottMardis sent in some information regarding the possibility that some sightings at Lake Champlain were due to mistaken views of large fishes. He also mentioned that there were occasional reports of large eels (both at Lake Champlain and also at Lake Memphremagog) but there was independant evidence that conger eels occasionally stray in from the sea.

The initial description of the monster in Lake Champlain was obviously a gar and PURSUIT published this information in the 1980s
  Scott also sent some pages from the book The Untold Story of Champ, A Social History of America's Loch Ness Monster  by Robert E Bartholomew (2012), which included reports that in particular sounded like alligator gars and Atlantic Sturgeons:








In addition to these fish and the seals known to occasionally come into Lake Champlain from the sea,there are also reports of "Giant Water Lizards" and other reports that sound suspiciously like our Master Otter (the Native Americans' Mishipizhiw)


North America does not have any native species of large water lizards, in casual speech the term ordinarly means "Salamander" and in this case we would best understand it as "Giant hellbender". These Giant hellbenders as alleged in the area around Lake Champlain are said to be 2-3 feet long, occasionally reported as much as 6 feet long and possibly even longer by mistake.

Hellbender information http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/7160.html  LINK



P denotes reports of "Giant Water Lizards" that can be pink. The one in New Jersey was reported by Ivan T Sanderson. Other reports are further to the South, in the Carolinas We are not concerned with those especially now, what I wanted to bring up for discussion was the area I have circled on the Map (GH). Lake Champlain is in the Eastern part of that circle, but while I was douing research in Sanderson's archives I found some letters and clippings which led me to believe there was a giant salamander or "Giant Water Lizard"along the lines of the Chinese giant salamanders and which were probably related to the pink one Sanderson reported in New Jersey. None of these Eastward reports are ordinary hellbenders although they are said to look just like them. They are larger than the usual hellbenders at 2-3 feet long commonly, sometimes twice that, They also seen to be reported in the adjoining parts of Canada. (Mark A Hall discusses the ones in Ohio and there may be similar ones in the Ozarks but they also do not concern us here)

 Independantly we have good cause to suspect the giant otters or Master Otters in Lake Champlain and surrounding areas: we have some pretty good videos that seem to indicate them. There are also reports in Pennsylvania that clearly name them as Master-otters.  These animals would not be in competition with the salamanders ecologically and they live very different lifestyles

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Nahuelito photo from Lake Monsters Facebook page


Above is an early depiction of the Pattagonian Plesiosaur of Lake Nahuel Huapi, which was a media sensation before the Loch Ness monster was publicised in the 1930s. In parallel to "Nessie" the creaure of that lake is known as Nauelito, which might be translated as "Nahuelie." Sightings were rarely reported to the outside world until recently, but this is one location which consistently produces both reports of Plesiosaur-shaped creatures and also photographs purporting to show them

One of the photographs was reproduced by the owner of the Lake Monsters facebook page and it is reproduced below. I made the remark that the creature image in it looked interesting bu/t that it needed to have better contrast to make it out

Jay Cooney turned up the contrast and it resulted in the image below (Dale D also worked on this version to create the best possible contrast between the creature and the water.) The result is very similar to some of the images coming out of Lake Champlain and pictured on this blog recently












Mrs. Moir's Loch Ness Monster Sighting above and the Umfuli SS sighting below. All of these creatures seem to be described as being about the same absolute size, about 30 feet long overall visible ( 9 meters)
The strong similarity between all of these creatres widely scattered in time and space is a good reason to think there could well be something substantual to the reports and they are all describing the same species

Umfuli SS, after Captain Cringle

Hope On SS


During the autumn of 1883, the captain and crew of the US whaling ship Hope On  sighted a creature that they took to be a small whale on two consecutive days. This happened when the ship was whaling off of the Las Perlas Archipelago on the Pacific side of the Isthmus of Panama. The creature was said to have a horselike head with two unicorn-like horns on top of it, a dark brown hide speckled with black dots, four legs or double-jointed fins and a tail that seemed to be divided into two large fins.Other ships of the same company stated their men had seen this creature before on other occasions, but none so close as the crew of the Hope On.
(Presumably they thought they had encountered the legendary Campchurch.) This report comes from Proctor's compilation of early Sea Serpent reportsand was reprinted by Heuvelmans. Coleman and Huyghe print a version with certain additional details given, and I do not know the reason for these differences in the report.
Campchurch, the sea-unicorn

This report came up in a discussion about sea serpent reports with Jay Cooney and others, and I remarked that critics said this was an elephant seal. It was in an area where Californian elephant seals occasionally stray and it is in the right size range. Against that we have those horns on the head and the traditional classification as the report as a Long necked Sea serpent (Following Heuvelmans), implying that it had a long neck. And then I added my own inderpendant information : In that part of the world (Panama) the name "Water Horse" is used to mean a creature that is probably based on the elephant seal.

But in thinking back on it, the creature wasn't a Longneck, a long neck was never described. In fact one of the extra details that Coleman and Huyghe included (not in Heuvelmans) was that the second one that was seen was smaller and had a shorter neck. And in other cases where a Campchurch sighting is alleged, an elephanyt seal is supected to be the cause (a case off of South Africa is a good example)

In that it now transpires that the only detail that makes this not a sighting of a strayed elephant seal is the matter of the alleged twin unicorn horns. And that can have been a mistake for any number of reasons, among which is that the elephant's snout on an elephant seal has been claimed to be associated with  horns or tusks on several other occasions in the literature. And even in the cases where Roy Mackal suspects the water monster was based on an elephant seal, a sort of horn on the snout is one of the characteristics that is repeatedly alleged. So this is one of those occasions where it is not even necessaery to say why a certain mistaken impression seems to have been made because the same mistake is repeatedly alleged someplace else in the literature.

Sources: Bernard Heuvelmans, In The Wake of The Sea Serpents
James Sweeny, A Pictoral History of Sea Monsters and Other Dangerous Marine Life
Loren Coleman, Patrick Huyghe and Harry Trumbore,Field Guide to Lake Monsters, Sea Serpents, and Other Mystery Denizensof the Deep
Roy Mackal, Searching for Hidden Animals

See Also
http://frontiersofzoology.blogspot.com/2013/07/mediterranean-merhorse.html LINK