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Showing posts with label Burrunjor. Show all posts
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Monday, 11 November 2013

Australian 'Carnosaur' Reports Again

While on the topic of fossil Monitor lizards I came across this illustration and it has a bearing on reports of supposed "Carnosaurs" in Australia
http://www.eplantscience.com/index/monitor_lizards/the_history_of_monitor_lizards.php

 
Comments added to my posting on Facebook:
Jay BizarreZoo Cooney That's fantastic!!!

Tara Taylor I'll need a bigger tank... Er, maybe a saddle. So awesome

Wm. Michael Mott Awesome until it eats your family.

Shawn Page It seems like the cattle herds would be a tempting food source for them, and there would be more evidence if that were the case, but then again there should be better evidence for bigfoot as well.

Mark Priddis I live in central western NSW Australia and there have been a lot of reports of giant lizards and I personally know people who have seen them, one in particular is close friend of mine.

Wm. Michael Mott How many unexplained disappearances of people in the bush do you know about?

Shawn Page It seems like bigger crocodiles are being found all the time. So a type of huge lizard is not that hard to believe

Matthieu Munoz Yes, Burrunjor sightings could actually misidentified Megalania. I wonder if this explains Bunyip sightings too.

Mark Priddis well I think all disappearances are unexplained until they they find a body or the person is alive.....How many hikers go bushwalking without notifying anybody is also another point to think about.

Mark Priddis I live on the western edge of the Blue Mountains which covers over 10,000 square kilometers of rugged inaccessible bush and it is only a few hours away from Sydney. Apart from giant lizard sightings we have alot of sightings of what has become known as the "the Lithgow Panther" around here....A large Black Feline.\\

Rowson Zhen largest crocodile ever recorded is believed to be krys the savannah king. The animal was over 28 feet long and weighed 4,000 lbs. Varanus priscus' size estimations on the upper scale are thought to be 23 feet long and 4,500 lbs. I can see how both animals can be mistaken as the bunyip, burrunjor, etc.

Jaime Febus Megalania  
[The picture is indeed an illustration of "Megalania" standing on its hind legs-DD}

Corey Kessinger i hope it's megalania

Gilbert Cauduro this is the size of those seen in New Guinea (film casing investigators to boats in documenteries not presently on internet)

Matthieu Munoz Makes me wonder why no serious expedition has searched for these yet.

Dale Drinnon Too large an area to cover. They could be practically anywhere in Australia

Corey Kessinger like with bigfoot in America

Matthieu Munoz Well, someone here mentioned 'the western edge of the blue mountains' as having a lot of unexplored area. Might be a good place to start there. Also Burrunjor sightings are mainly in Arnhem land of Australia so maybe there are some Megalania there?

Dale Drinnon ...And between those two locations you have the greater part of Australia included

Thursday, 1 December 2011

Leftovers: Texas Mini-Rex Report and 'Burrunjor' Track

I had been missing a report of a "Mini-Rex" from Texas but it just turned up. This is the full report as I had it and it originally came from Blog Reader (and sometimes-contributor) Phillip O' Donnell:

'Baby T-rex'

Name Withheld

Hello,
I don't really know if I should be telling you
this, because I'm tired of being told I'm crazy 
or it's scientifically impossable. When I was twelve 
I saw something that really changed how I view dinosaurs. 
I saw a baby tyrannosauras rex. It looked like a baby
anyway. I thought maybe raptor, but no it's head was to wide. 
It even looked at me before running into the woods. I even slapped 
myself across the face to make sure I wasn't dreaming. 
It was in Texas.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Interviewer's Name - Phillip O'Donnell

1) How long was it and what was it's height?
2) Did your encounter happen near Big Bend, TX?

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Name Withheld

I'll do much more than that. It was about 6 to 7
feet tall and about the same from [tail]tip to little arms
and head. It was forest green with an irridescent
look much like oil. I saw it about 50 feet away as it
was sunning itself in the last rays of the sun. It was
sitting. It looked at me even. It was south east
texas. Silsbee to be exact. It is near the big
thicket on the edge actualty. I could Even see the
reptilian lips above the teeth.


"Living Dinosaur" Map as furnished by LiveDino enthusiasts

 --This part of Texas is in the area where Chad Arment had specified he had heard no other reports. The "Height" measurement is not the walking or standing height since the creature is sitting still at the time, but other witnesses have said the same height. At first it bothered me that the main series of reports are about 3  to 4 feet tall and then there was this second set of measurements that are about twice that, but the taller ones could still all be exaggerations within the same margin of error: at least none of the reports say 10 to 15 feet tall or taller, which is what you DO start to see in the more obviously untrustworthy accounts.
At the same time, as I mentioned last time we were on the subject, there is a series of reports that fall at a smaller size which includes most of the "Biped" reports, and then a larger sized series in the "Dinosaur/Iguanodon/Dragon lizard" size range, up to the size of a komodo drgon. The largest sightings in this series say 20 feet long, but a substantial majority in this category estimate a creature 10-12 feet long. If the two types are in the same species then, well, yes, a bigger one would stand up much higher than the usual 3-4 feet on its hind legs. And we do also have reports of the bigger ones standing up as tall as a human being from Mexico and Central America-possibly also the "Iguanodon" reports in South America- just not ordinarily running that way. Once again the matter depends on whether we have one species or more, and I don't know if that can be determined yet. For the time being it is simpler to assume only one species, but I have argued the other way before and it may still prove to be true we are looking at several unknown Iguanid lizard species instead of just the easier one-species solution.

 Best Wishes, Dale D.

Rex Gilroy's cast of a "Burrunjor" track that could more likely be the track of a gigantic bird on a par with the largest Moas. As far as I can tell there is no guarantee the track is fresh as opposed to a fossil track.

Monday, 28 November 2011

Some Post-Thanksgiving Leftovers


As mentioned in the recent posting on Burrunjor, some monitor lizards are capable of rearing up on their hind legs. Here is a komodo dragon reaching for a bait goat stuck up in a tree.


Winged Chupacabras sketch from "The Cryptozoologist"
Some of the Chupacabras reports have been insisting all along that they were describing giant vampire bats, some of the mid-1970s "Vampire" reports from Puerto Rico that were the foreunners of the 1990s reports were supposed to have been bats. Recently, news has come out of both Nicaragua and northern Chile of "Mutant giant Vampire bats" The largest of these Chupa-bat creatures are the size of a child or small human being (dwarf or midget) and they stand upright, on their hind legs. They have typical bat wings, which must be in the process of unfurling in this illustration. Also in comparison to the other illustration above, the area taken to be "eyes" before seem to be markings on the forehead here, and the actual eyes much smaller. This type would not actually be a vampire but would be blamed for the acts of wild dogs.

The medium-sized giant bat walks on all fours and looks like the much smaller vampire bat, and there are reports which state it is quite at home and agile on the ground. It is the size of a small dog with the wings folded up and many people also say it is an actual vampire like the similar but smaller true vampire bat,  however, it seems to be an opportunistic hunter and scavenger instead, although apparantly they can be seen to mob small prey animals such as sheep or goats. It seems they are instead giant (outsized) FALSE Vampire bats.

BOTH types of giant bats are reported over much the same area in both of the Americas and roughly the area between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn. The larger bat is the same as the American Ahool or Kamazotz, and it is evidently actually a fishing bat like its Old World counterpart.

Genyornis, Pleistocene dromornithid.

It is thought by some that not only is there good evidence for the survival of the Genyornis as Muhurungs or Thunder Birds of Aboriginal legend, some of the more troublesome evidence might enen indicate an even larger species. The Genyornis is thought to have stood in the vicinity of 7-9 feet tall, but some of the reports and tracks are of "Moa" sizes and indicating birds 10-15 feet tall, possibly more inclined to be predatory as well: giant Diatrymas. Part of this evidence has been used to support the notion of Burrunjor as being Tyrannosaurs, in particular some truly enormous 3-toed footprints. However, it is not known how old things like the eggs and footprints are for certain. The stories of biped predators carrying off calves might refer to such birds, for example. As was mentioned before, some of their eggs are still being found: they are reported as large as Aepyornis eggs and sometimes allegedly quite fresh. (Ivan T. Sanderson in Investigating the Unexplained.)
http://australianmuseum.net.au/Genyornis-newtoni

Here is the standard, alternative explanation for such eggs:
http://beachcombersalert.org/ElephantBirdEggs.html

I wonder whether I could tax the thinking of your Alert membership on the subject of the Giant Elephantbird of Madagascar, whose eggs appear to have floated from Madagascar across the Indian Ocean to the west coast of Australia,” writes John Hawkins of J.B. Hawkins Antiques, New South Wales, Australia.
Across the 500-mile-wide Mozambique Channel, Madagascar stretches 1,000 miles along Africa’s southeast coast facing the Indian Ocean. Earth’s fourth largest island, Madagascar after Greenland, New Guinea and Borneo, once was home to the Giant Elephantbird, the largest ever to tread Earth.


Elephantbird (Illustration adapted
 from“Vanished Species” by David Day,
Gallery Books, 1989 revision.)


Aepyornis maximus(Greek for greatest tall bird) males stood 10 feet tall, weighed up to one ton — two to four times the weight of a present-day ostrich — and laid watermelon-sized eggs, larger than any of known dinosaurs.

As Madagascans say, the Elephantine birds laid Atodim bobombe. One of 43 known complete bobombes, John’s holds six liters and measures a foot long by eight inches wide. A larger one measuring three feet around, contained 9-plus liters (2.4 gallons). Another, more than foot long, originally weighed 20-plus pounds, equal to eight ostrich eggs. The average ostrich egg weighs 3.63 to 3.88 pounds, measures 6 to 8 inches long and 4 to 6 inches wide, and can support the weight of a 252- pound person, according to the 1977 Guinness Book of World Records Elephantbirds buried their eggs in beach, dune and river sands. “ There is a fairly extensive literature on eggs floating out of nests in marshes or on beaches when high water comes up,” writes bird authority John Dennis. In southern Madagascar, torrential rains washed out a whole egg and laid it to rest intact beneath a bush on a grassy plain (see National Geographic, October 1967).

[National Geographic is the source article for this theory-DD]
As John Dennis alludes, river floods and ocean tides may have floated bobombes out to sea. Rains fall heavily in Madagascar December to April, the likely time eggs began drifting. Though fossilized calcium carbonate shells appear heavy, hollow foot-long eggs like John’s — sherds crack with the sound of porcelain — would float high in sea water like empty pottery jars.
Other possibilities exist for flotation. In the time humans hunted Aepyornis to extinction, tribes probably discovered uses for the great eggs.

Drift of Elephantbird Eggs, Map by Jim Ingraham)

... Along the southwestern Australian coast within a hundred miles of Perth, John Hawkins confirms that two elephantine bird eggs were discovered, one presently in the Perth Museum...

[Other eggs of Elephant bird dimensions are found on the Canary Islands: since there is no way to account for them by way of oceanic currents, it is hypothesisized that the islands once had their own population of independantly-evolved Elephant birds. And indeed the same theory also works in this case-DD]

Monday, 14 November 2011

Burunjor, an Aboriginal Tyrannosaurus?

I just receieved this update in my email from Rex Gilroy through an intermediary:

Out Now
"Burrunjor!The Search For Australia's Living Tyrannosaurus".
by Rex and Heather Gilroy
Copyright © Rex Gilroy 2011.
This book is virtually completed and ready for the printer. Our book comes at a time when, thanks to our pioneering research into this mystery of Aboriginal Australia, Burrunjor is grabbing the attention of Cryptozoologists worldwide.

During March this year the Gilroys, together with Greg Foster our research assistant, carried out an expedition which resulted in the discovery of fresh tracks of Theropod dinosaur type, ancient rock carvings depicting these Tyrannosaurid monsters, and searched regions including the `Red Centre' where these nightmarish monsters have been claimed seen for generations..

It is all there in our new book for all to see, the sightings and terrifying close encounters, not only by Aborigines but also a great many European settlers; the stock `kills' , the `Time-Window' theory evidence; accounts of people who have witnessed the `impossible; people who have by chance
entered `Time-Windows' to encounter the "Age of Dinosaurs".

The book does not only feature information from Australia's far north, for reports of Burrunjor come from South Australia, western Queensland, far western New South Wales and then there are also the eastern Australian encounters, particularly concerning the mysterious `Dinosaur wamplands' of the Wollemi wilderness.

BURRUNJOR! The Search for Australia's Living Tyrannosaurus,
will be released in December 2011 and is certain to create a sensation.

Details Below
http://www.mysteriousaustralia.com/books-for-sale.html


With the help of some of "Cryptozoologist's previously-posted illustrations (And don't think for a minute I am ungrateful for them!), I think I can solve this little problem right away. The creature is the same as the giant lizard "Megalania" reported in other parts of Australia, only it occasionally sits up on its hind legs. This behaviour is known in Komodo dragons, for example when an adult dragon is attempting to snatch something out of a tree. And the artwork does not even need to be actually showing the lizards standing upright: this is basically a matter of perspective used in the artwork. Monitor lizards can be frequently depicted from above looking down, oriented with the nose end up and tail end down. This is shown on both bark art paintings and on rock art. And I have known about this since my High School days.
 An aboriginal bark painting showing a monitor lizard from just such a view. The illustration is from the Encyclopedia Britannica Online. The illustration seems to show a lizard standing up on its hind legs, but really it is on all fours on the ground as seen from above.Different versions of the design can show the mouth open or both forelegs on one side. This one is done in the "X-Ray" style.

Incidentally, the "Plesiosaur-Bunyip" rock art is also basically a variation of the same design, only with the neck very much longer and the limbs looking more like flappers. There is nothing unusual about the purported Plesiosaurs from an ARTISTIC point of view-it is a variation on the common lizard design. The difference is in the specific anatomy. Incidentally, while researchin this blog, I found a shortnecked Plesiosaur variation of the design on a site which wants me to pay to use the illustration. It looks very much like Tyler Stone's version of Gambo. Perhaps I shall be able to run it in a future blog.
Here is another piece from "Cryptozoologist's" page showing a reptillian "Bunyip" standing on its hind legs. This looks very much like a large lizard and nothing like a Tyrannosaurus.

"Cryptozoologist" also illustrates a reconstruction of similar "Dinosaur" reports from Northern Chile in South America. I had made mention of similar reports from Peru (Other side of the Andes) in regards to the Chupacabras discussion earlier, and I believe there was also a description from Chile that specified there was a sawtoothed ridge down the back. This would be an unusual iguana lizard of large size but little doubt that it IS an iguana lizard: size range estimates of this range from two to four meters long, pretty consistently throughout South America wherever it is reported. That is the exact size of the Komodo Dragon (Eberhart lists the type as "Venezuelan Monitor Lizards")

I just add this at the end as independant confirmation of the information that I have been sharing on the subject.

Best Wishes, Dale D.