From JC Johnson's Facebook page, with an accompanying link to the appropriate photo album:
Some call what we were searching for, "Skunk Ape" "Swamp Ape" --The Trail for me leads to "Swamp Thing"-- it kills people.
I had previously printed photos of these footprint casts from Arkanasa without knowing their source, under the heading of "Reptoids" and thinking they were akin to the "Frogfoot" footprints I had heard of before. The truth is even more amazing-the tracks are supposed to come from a dinosaur-sized reptile said to roam the wide open spaces of the Ozarks , Texas and the Southwest. Commentary on this latter photo included the following remarks:If that were a Gator print, the Gator would measure 40 feet long. These prints were bi-pedal according to Chuck.
Jc Johnson Trying to determine the origin. Going back there shortly to "Whack" this thing. It kills people.
Dale Drinnon So how big is the track? I had already posted copies of this, BTW. I had heard about tracks like this up to 18 inches long-but never any casts or photos until now
Dale Drinnon OK, THEN! We have CONFIRMATION! These things have been showing up since the 1970s at least and it's really great to hear that. The news I had before was that they were "Dinosaur" tracks and so far, I just had an outline drawing to go by
Jc Johnson Toward the end of this video we find some tracks-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pf03HTWbUc .
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Some of our Expeditions a few years back. More of a "Mood" project. "Oh, and giv...e me a break on my "souped up soundtrack"...I like it just fine. JC JohnsonSee More
Dale Drinnon
This is in the 4 Corners area? I had a secondhand report from a Navajo source in the 1970s about the "Dinosaur" killing livestock and I sent the report to UIvan Sanderson's organization, the SITU: Sanderson had such tracks in Florida in the... 1940s but everyone said they were hoaxes now. When I sent in the info that I had from out west, the SITU guys wouldn't believe me, they thought I was making it up. BUT They were also getting reports out of Arkansas of about the same thing, about that same time.See More
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Leon , Ben , planning on being in Florida next month for Swamp Thing- needs whacking-----The creature that left the tracks in the video, is still at large in the Four Corners area. Notice the front prints look like mittens in the mud--hand...s. It had to get down on all fours to go up a slippery slope.... If anyone is up for Florida, let me know- I'll also keep you informed on when we return to this location from the video.See More
- - Dale , have a sheepherder out by Newcomb, NM. There is a lizard bigger than his pickup truck, that swallows his sheep whole.
Dale Drinnon I am just glad youre telling me these things because like I said, I had been hearing about this for decades and everybody this side of the Mississippi told me I was making things up
Steven Devert Dismore
Wow! Seeing that put a whole meaning in ''The Thing That Should Not Be''! People really should open their mind's. There are creatures out there in the great wild woods.... That will eat your ---! The only reason we don't see them is... If y...ou rely stealth to catch your dinner. You don't just pop up and say ''HI''! I feel a little funny about this one guy's. Yall be careful. With a track like that.... Just think about the teeth! And to Dale. Most people think we are crazy or hoaxings. So pay them no mind.See More
Leon Drew Yes rick it would have to be as the flat side would be the top of the plaster as it sat up
Crypto Florida Send me more details JC. I am always up for a hunt if it is a real hunt and a rumor chasing.
Marc Gaglione Time to bring in the semi auto Barrett .50 and a Desert Eagle backup. And a good pair of running shoes if the Barrett doesn't work.
This is the full-sized adult of the "River Liz" or Mini-Rex, incredible though that might seem (they still could be two different species, there are not enough details on either one to know for certain.) And if you look closely there is the trace of at least one more toe to the edge and so the tracks are at least four toed and not three: some reports speak of a smaller "Thumb" claw and say that the whole print is like a human hand in shape but very much larger, and scaly of course. Below is my attempted mockup of the big lizard to scale to a pickup truck (I hope JC's informant likes the Silverado I'm giving him)
The diagram of the foot I put up is incidentally oppopsite to the way the orientation of the track cast is. The foot illustrated is the right hind foot and so is the cast, but when you turn the cast over the orientation of the toes are reversed. So that the "Thumb" on the track cast foot is on the right outside
The diagram of the foot I put up is incidentally oppopsite to the way the orientation of the track cast is. The foot illustrated is the right hind foot and so is the cast, but when you turn the cast over the orientation of the toes are reversed. So that the "Thumb" on the track cast foot is on the right outside
Best Wishes, Dale D.
I'm confused. How big are these animals which made the tracks?
ReplyDeleteThat is what the scale to the truck is for. These are a few hundred pounds at least, comparable in size to an alligator and usually "Water Monsters": you see how big a regular iguana's foot is in proportion to the rest of it, so an 18 inch footprint easily goes along with a creature 15 feet long
ReplyDeleteOkay, but I'm still confused with the sizes of all the different types. What would be the upper size limit for the bipedal ones that look like small predatory dinosaurs?
ReplyDeleteThe bipedal ones can apparently get up to 15 feet long, but by that time they appear to be omnivores. If there is a distinction between carnivorous and herbivorous species, the upper size limit for the smaller kind is still in the range of 10-15 feet
ReplyDeleteAre the smaller ones carnivorous? And do you think they are separate from the larger more herbivorous ones?
ReplyDeleteWe don't really have enough information to know for certain, but I think we do have a situation where the species as a whole is omnivorous, the smaller ones eat more animal matter and the bigger ones eat more plant matter. And I'm going on the idea that there is only one species now, although I did formerly support the idea there were two separate species. Reports have it that the big ones are seen poking at sheep carcasses and that they kill people that get too close, but I don't think they ordinarily behave as predators. But the younger ones will cheerfully eat bugs and spiders, eggs and birds, lizards and small mammals regularly, meaning they will eat live prey if t is easily obtainable. the middle grades of size also poke at corpses but they don't seem to eat a lot of any of the corpses they are seen poking at. But the bigger ones that are Water Monsters are generally described as lethargic, peaceful and non-aggressive. That does not mean that they will not kill people that get too close and JC Johnson says definitely "They kill people" I don't know how well that is documented but I also have no cause to doubt it right off.
ReplyDeleteBut do we know for sure that there is only one species? I think there are two: one of them are the smaller ones that are more carnivorous and walk bipedally most of the time. The other one is the water monsters, which are more herbivorous and walk quadrupedally most of the time.
Deleteat not only is an option but I freely admit that was my opinion until more recently. And I would say that really we don't know enough about the situation to say one way or the other for sure.
DeleteIn the past, when that was your opinion, what did you think was the upper size limit for the smaller, bipedal species?
DeleteI had said that reports of 3-4 feet tall and 6-9 feet long were reasonable. I thought that reports of 5-7 feet tall and 10-15 feet tall were unlikely. So I put the upper limit at about 8-9 feet. If there is only one species that gets much larger though, the reports of 9-12 and even 15 feet long are intermediate and headed well into the range of the larger sizes
DeleteAlso, are the smaller, more carnivorous bipedal ones also semi-aquatic? Do they spend a lot of time around water, as well?
ReplyDeleteYes, which is why they are called "River Liz" and such
DeleteI know that they are very similar to iguanid lizards, but I don't understand how they can be classified in the same family as other iguanids when they have very different bodies (such as the longer neck, erect limbs that are more mammalian in structure, and bipedalism). How could they possibly be classified like other lizards?
ReplyDeleteThose are things which are your interpretations of the reports rather than things the reports state clearly. We are making an awful lot of inferrances here. The long neck does not count, compare monitor lizards, and the reason for suggesting a similarity to iguanids in the first place is that some iguanid lizards run on their hind legs
DeleteYes, monitor lizards have long necks, but not iguanid lizards. And in another post, there was a Chupacabras drawing that gave it hind legs which are erect, and more mammalian in structure.
DeleteAlso, iguanid lizards do run on their hind legs occasionally, but these creature appear to be always on their hind legs.
Some iguanids certainly have much longer necks than others-my point is that it is NOT an acceptable criterion for determining whether or not a given creature is a reptile. And all we ever have are very fleeting glimpses of these things. We do not have any observations that we can point to as being more authoritative than the others, or good enough to make the sort of distinctions about the legs which you are suggesting. They could only be due to poor observations and bad art. And some of the sightings DO specify creatures which are seen on four legs to start with but which run away on two legs.
ReplyDeleteWell, even if they do sometimes walk on all fours, that's fine. However, are the hind legs significantly longer than the fore limbs?
ReplyDeleteYes, but they are commonly that way in many kinds of lizards
DeleteAlso, do these unknown iguanid lizards only run bipedally, or do they also walk bipedally?
ReplyDeleteAlmost invariably they are said to run, stand, or leap bipedally. They rest, climb and swim quadrupedally which also means that they are very frequently seen to convert to quadruped to biped mode or back again during the course of a normal sighting
DeleteDo you think they spend most of their time on two legs or four legs?
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