tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-629061224332673795.post4938987703257518437..comments2023-07-15T05:32:20.508-07:00Comments on Frontiers of Zoology: More 'Dino'/Big Lizard Reports Out WestUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-629061224332673795.post-66042727807367692742013-07-25T17:44:58.434-07:002013-07-25T17:44:58.434-07:00Do you think they spend most of their time on two ...Do you think they spend most of their time on two legs or four legs?Troodon Roarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06458650924508744077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-629061224332673795.post-1600959959802246272013-07-25T02:42:36.466-07:002013-07-25T02:42:36.466-07:00Almost invariably they are said to run, stand, or ...Almost invariably they are said to run, stand, or leap bipedally. They rest, climb and swim quadrupedally which also means that they are very frequently seen to convert to quadruped to biped mode or back again during the course of a normal sightingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-629061224332673795.post-89725388982805716872013-07-24T14:41:56.480-07:002013-07-24T14:41:56.480-07:00Also, do these unknown iguanid lizards only run bi...Also, do these unknown iguanid lizards only run bipedally, or do they also walk bipedally? Troodon Roarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06458650924508744077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-629061224332673795.post-67267361174809803642013-07-01T03:12:05.399-07:002013-07-01T03:12:05.399-07:00Yes, but they are commonly that way in many kinds ...Yes, but they are commonly that way in many kinds of lizardsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-629061224332673795.post-47675515445143878442013-06-30T19:47:21.689-07:002013-06-30T19:47:21.689-07:00Well, even if they do sometimes walk on all fours,...Well, even if they do sometimes walk on all fours, that's fine. However, are the hind legs significantly longer than the fore limbs?Troodon Roarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06458650924508744077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-629061224332673795.post-24359606966095981262013-06-30T18:22:47.213-07:002013-06-30T18:22:47.213-07:00Some iguanids certainly have much longer necks tha...Some iguanids certainly have much longer necks than others-my point is that it is NOT an acceptable criterion for determining whether or not a given creature is a reptile. And all we ever have are very fleeting glimpses of these things. We do not have any observations that we can point to as being more authoritative than the others, or good enough to make the sort of distinctions about the legs which you are suggesting. They could only be due to poor observations and bad art. And some of the sightings DO specify creatures which are seen on four legs to start with but which run away on two legs. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-629061224332673795.post-53982483016845645652013-06-30T15:05:20.711-07:002013-06-30T15:05:20.711-07:00Yes, monitor lizards have long necks, but not igua...Yes, monitor lizards have long necks, but not iguanid lizards. And in another post, there was a Chupacabras drawing that gave it hind legs which are erect, and more mammalian in structure.<br /><br />Also, iguanid lizards do run on their hind legs occasionally, but these creature appear to be always on their hind legs.Troodon Roarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06458650924508744077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-629061224332673795.post-58535830904420341862013-06-30T14:21:47.390-07:002013-06-30T14:21:47.390-07:00Those are things which are your interpretations of...Those are things which are your interpretations of the reports rather than things the reports state clearly. We are making an awful lot of inferrances here. The long neck does not count, compare monitor lizards, and the reason for suggesting a similarity to iguanids in the first place is that some iguanid lizards run on their hind legsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-629061224332673795.post-48144738681544085682013-06-30T13:45:56.382-07:002013-06-30T13:45:56.382-07:00I know that they are very similar to iguanid lizar...I know that they are very similar to iguanid lizards, but I don't understand how they can be classified in the same family as other iguanids when they have very different bodies (such as the longer neck, erect limbs that are more mammalian in structure, and bipedalism). How could they possibly be classified like other lizards?Troodon Roarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06458650924508744077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-629061224332673795.post-47257522176500179712013-06-30T11:44:27.551-07:002013-06-30T11:44:27.551-07:00I had said that reports of 3-4 feet tall and 6-9 f...I had said that reports of 3-4 feet tall and 6-9 feet long were reasonable. I thought that reports of 5-7 feet tall and 10-15 feet tall were unlikely. So I put the upper limit at about 8-9 feet. If there is only one species that gets much larger though, the reports of 9-12 and even 15 feet long are intermediate and headed well into the range of the larger sizesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-629061224332673795.post-22161840819128573592013-06-30T11:39:14.754-07:002013-06-30T11:39:14.754-07:00Yes, which is why they are called "River Liz&...Yes, which is why they are called "River Liz" and such<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-629061224332673795.post-3364955391875173062013-06-30T11:02:17.838-07:002013-06-30T11:02:17.838-07:00Also, are the smaller, more carnivorous bipedal on...Also, are the smaller, more carnivorous bipedal ones also semi-aquatic? Do they spend a lot of time around water, as well?Troodon Roarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06458650924508744077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-629061224332673795.post-71027891292346599052013-06-30T10:17:41.825-07:002013-06-30T10:17:41.825-07:00In the past, when that was your opinion, what did ...In the past, when that was your opinion, what did you think was the upper size limit for the smaller, bipedal species?Troodon Roarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06458650924508744077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-629061224332673795.post-52419565068578691812013-06-29T16:38:14.306-07:002013-06-29T16:38:14.306-07:00at not only is an option but I freely admit that w...at not only is an option but I freely admit that was my opinion until more recently. And I would say that really we don't know enough about the situation to say one way or the other for sure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-629061224332673795.post-5849630319266455942013-06-29T09:29:14.975-07:002013-06-29T09:29:14.975-07:00But do we know for sure that there is only one spe...But do we know for sure that there is only one species? I think there are two: one of them are the smaller ones that are more carnivorous and walk bipedally most of the time. The other one is the water monsters, which are more herbivorous and walk quadrupedally most of the time.Troodon Roarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06458650924508744077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-629061224332673795.post-76094776473558400362013-06-28T19:16:01.050-07:002013-06-28T19:16:01.050-07:00We don't really have enough information to kno...We don't really have enough information to know for certain, but I think we do have a situation where the species as a whole is omnivorous, the smaller ones eat more animal matter and the bigger ones eat more plant matter. And I'm going on the idea that there is only one species now, although I did formerly support the idea there were two separate species. Reports have it that the big ones are seen poking at sheep carcasses and that they kill people that get too close, but I don't think they ordinarily behave as predators. But the younger ones will cheerfully eat bugs and spiders, eggs and birds, lizards and small mammals regularly, meaning they will eat live prey if t is easily obtainable. the middle grades of size also poke at corpses but they don't seem to eat a lot of any of the corpses they are seen poking at. But the bigger ones that are Water Monsters are generally described as lethargic, peaceful and non-aggressive. That does not mean that they will not kill people that get too close and JC Johnson says definitely "They kill people" I don't know how well that is documented but I also have no cause to doubt it right off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-629061224332673795.post-3370870246464829182013-06-28T14:29:59.995-07:002013-06-28T14:29:59.995-07:00Are the smaller ones carnivorous? And do you think...Are the smaller ones carnivorous? And do you think they are separate from the larger more herbivorous ones? Troodon Roarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06458650924508744077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-629061224332673795.post-52251139204125533382013-06-28T04:47:19.695-07:002013-06-28T04:47:19.695-07:00The bipedal ones can apparently get up to 15 feet ...The bipedal ones can apparently get up to 15 feet long, but by that time they appear to be omnivores. If there is a distinction between carnivorous and herbivorous species, the upper size limit for the smaller kind is still in the range of 10-15 feet Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-629061224332673795.post-60550455977050535102013-06-27T19:29:07.048-07:002013-06-27T19:29:07.048-07:00Okay, but I'm still confused with the sizes of...Okay, but I'm still confused with the sizes of all the different types. What would be the upper size limit for the bipedal ones that look like small predatory dinosaurs?Troodon Roarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06458650924508744077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-629061224332673795.post-56965397310530791902013-06-27T19:25:37.582-07:002013-06-27T19:25:37.582-07:00That is what the scale to the truck is for. These ...That is what the scale to the truck is for. These are a few hundred pounds at least, comparable in size to an alligator and usually "Water Monsters": you see how big a regular iguana's foot is in proportion to the rest of it, so an 18 inch footprint easily goes along with a creature 15 feet longAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-629061224332673795.post-54735218868866657042013-06-27T17:24:59.603-07:002013-06-27T17:24:59.603-07:00I'm confused. How big are these animals which ...I'm confused. How big are these animals which made the tracks?Troodon Roarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06458650924508744077noreply@blogger.com