There was a recent blog where the link to this site was posted by a viewer. It is quite a remarkable piece containing several arcane evidences for more than one kind of unknown animal. My immediate reaction was that it needed to be taken seriously and examineed thoroughly.
By Chris Parker
I’m thinking that maybe the best part of my articles are the titles. Should I just stop right here? After all these years I’m still a hunt and peck typist and that took something out of me already. Where’s that Dragon Naturally speaking program?
The Penn State Dinosaur that Was?
Dragon? Oh yeah, naturally, let’s start with the Penn State “dragon”.
To be fair, they don’t call this one a dragon; they call it “zoomorphic”. If you’re interested in looking for dinosaurs in the art of the ancient peoples-in the art of people who lived within the last 5,000 years or so and have an opportunity to search a database of objects, try the words; dragon, zoomorphic, mythical, beast, grotesque, reptile or unknown creature.
This is not to say that these objects will necessarily be depictions of dinosaurs, I’m just saying searching ancient art using the term “dinosaur” is not a profitable enterprise.
I grew up believing that dinosaurs and man lived together as the Bible would have us believe, (calling them dragons). There was a time when I was less than convinced and so set out to find out the truth for myself. Subsequently it’s been confirmed by me after I’ve had the opportunity to search university databases and to view hundreds of thousands of pieces of ancient art in museum collections and for sale in private auctions that we did live within the time of the dinosaurs and that the proof is there.
As for ancient artifacts, the more they resemble a dinosaur, the less likely they will be on public view in a museum and the less valuable they will be. No museum wants to buy your ancient Aztec dinosaur.
Anyway, I read recently that the University of Pennsylvania’s Penn Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology was opening its collection of over 1 million objects to public view through a free online archive;
“Since its founding in 1887, the Penn Museum has collected around one million objects, many obtained directly through its own field excavations or anthropological research. Search the Penn Museum’s digital collections including 326,000 object records representing 660,000 objects with 51,500 images.”Naturally, my immediate thought was; “I wonder if I can find some dinosaurs in that collection”. First, I searched for the word, “dragon”. Slim pickings. Then I searched the word zoomorphic. This is one of the items I discovered.
Zoomorphic Vessel,
Object Number:
35618
Provenience:
Bolivia
Cachilaya
Section:
American
Materials:
Stone
Description:
In shape of a lizard
Credit Line:
Max Uhle, William Pepper Peruvian Expedition, Funded by Phebe A. Hearst
Other Number / Type:
362 / Field No SF
In the shape of a lizard! But no lizard ever looked like that in my estimation. However, being able to call the object; “zoomorphic” and a “lizard” is why you’re getting to see the object in the first place. Any objects which would have to be classified a “dinosaur” are by definition; fakes.
On the other hand since my impression of the object is that it represents a dinosaur, I have to ask myself; what kind of dinosaur? It appears to be a quadrupedal dinosaur, but it is not long necked like a sauropod or even a prosauropod and it is not an armored dinosaur, nor one of the horned dinosaurs of the ceratopsian family.
This is what I did; I Googled; short necked South American dinosaurs and began perusing that group to see if modern day paleontologists had discovered a short necked, squat, quadrupedal dinosaur in South America, preferably in the Bolivian area which corresponded with an ancient artists depiction of a dinosaur living in his time. Did you follow that?
Here’s what I found.
Distance from Bolivia to Argentina? 1500 Miles. So could Brachytrachelopan have had a range of 1500 miles on the South American continent? Is this the least scientific investigation possible?
“Brachy-trachelopan is an unusual short-necked sauropod dinosaur from the latest Jurassic Period (Tithonian) of Argentina. The holotype and only known specimen (Museo Paleontológico Egidio Feruglio MPEF-PV 1716) was collected from an erosional exposure of fluvial sandstone within the Cañadón Cálcero Formation on a hill approximately 25 km north-northeast of Cerro Cóndor, Chubut Province, in west-central Argentina, South America.
Though very incomplete, the skeletal elements recovered were found in articulation and include eight cervical, twelve dorsal, and three sacral vertebrae, as well as proximal portions of the posterior cervical ribs and all the doral ribs, the distal end of the left femur, the proximal end of the left tibia, and the right ilium. Much of the specimen was probably lost to erosion many years before its discovery. The type species is Brachytrachelopan mesai. The specific name honours Daniel Mesa, a local shepherd who discovered the specimen while searching for lost sheep. The genus name translates as “short-necked Pan”, Pan being the god of the shepherds.”…Wikipedia
No, see paleontology.
Could this ancient piece represent in an artful, non literal way a quadrupedal dinosaur like Brachytrachelopan living not millions of years ago but less than a thousand years ago on the South American continent or; is it just a fat lizard?
You’ll have to decide that for yourself.
The Ancient Chinese Rhinoceros that Wasn’t
I was saving this as an entry in Part 2 of my Article: Crouching Dragon, Hidden Dinosaur; How Evolutionary Science Hides Historical Man and Dinosaur Interaction in Plain Sight but since that hasn’t been compiled yet I’ll place two planned entries for that article here.
Along with euphemisms like “zoomorphic”, “mythical” and ‘dragon” that it turns out are often appended to the rare depiction of the dinosaur found in museum collections and at private auction sales is the tendency to misidentify animal depictions.
This is because when the curator is not sure what creature it is that is being represented by the ancient artist he still likes to come up with an answer that is not outside the realm of currently accepted science and which satisfies the potential customer.
It’s an ancient Chinese bear, a new owner might say proudly to his houseguests as they stare into his lighted display case at what is actually a ground sloth. Everyone still oohs and ahhs.This particular piece was sold at auction at Christie’s auction house in 2007 for $216,000. Here is the description:
Lot Description A RARE AND SMALL BRONZE FIGURE OF A RHINOCEROS
TANG DYNASTY (618-907 AD)
Shown standing four-square with tail flicked to the left, the head well cast with two horns of different length, ears pricked back, small eyes and downward curved, overlapping muzzle sensitively cast along the upper edges of the mouth with folds in the skin, which can also be seen in the skin of the neck and chest, the thick hide indicated by overlapping wave pattern diminishing in size on the head and legs, with a rectangular aperture in the belly, the dark brownish surface with some patches of dark red patina and green encrustation.
Lot Notes The depiction of the rhinoceros in bronze is very rare, especially during the Tang period. Earlier depictions do exist, however, as evidenced by the late Shang rhinoceros zun in the Avery Brundage Collection, illustrated by d’Argencè, The Ancient Chinese Bronzes, San Francisco, 1966, pl. XIX and another large zun (22 7/8in. long), ornately decorated, but quite realistic in its depiction of a rhinoceros, of late Eastern Zhou/Western Han dynasty date, found in Xingping Xian, Shaanxi province, included in the exhibition, The Great Bronze Age of China, Metropolitan Museum of Art, 1980, New York, Catalogue, no. 93
Here’s the problem though; this is Not a depiction of a rhinoceros! (I studied economics in college so….). For one thing, I’ve looked at hundreds if not more than a thousand photographs and depictions of rhinoceri and you’ll not find a single one of them who has horns that point forward. All rhinoceros horns curve backwards.
Small detail, I know but if you look closely at and compare this depiction with that of the rhinoceros you’ll begin to see the differences. For instance, this creature has a beak! No self respecting rhino would sport a “beak” because rhinos do not have “beaks’. Additionally, this rhino has a horn that projects straight up out of the top of his skull. That would appear to be a rhino no no.
There are other differences; the rhino has a sway back, this creature’s back is convex, etc. etc. Did you notice that he’s not wearing the little rhino coat that rhinos seem to wear where there legs seems to be poking out of the short sleeves?
Is there an ancient, perhaps extinct creature with perhaps the size of a rhino, (or larger) horned but with a “beak”? (I may have tipped my hand with the adjacent photo).
Well, the ceratopsia certainly had beaks and ceratopsia does mean “horned face”. After studying members of the ceratopsian family it appears that the comparison with this artifact is pretty solid but; there is one thing missing; the neck frill.
Most if not all known ceratopsian dinosaurs were supposed to have a neck frill although there are some differences among scientists as too how the neck frill appeared.
Also, I can find no photo of the object that shows the tail; only the statement that it curves off to the left. But can a rhino tail do anything but hang? Seeing the tail would answer some questions perhaps because a ceratopsian like tail would certainly rule out the rhino while a rhino like tail would create more questions. Could this be a yet undiscovered version of a ceratopsian dinosaur without the neck frill? I am put in mind of the Emela-ntouka.
(Although it could also be perspective. The outline of the frill along with the convincing detail of the ceratopsian ‘cheek” may be in evidence).
“The Emela-ntouka is an African legendary creature in the mythology of the Pygmy tribes, and a cryptid purported to live in Central Africa. Its name means “killer of the elephants” in the Lingala language.For more information on Emela-ntouka here is a story on Cryptomundo
In other languages it is known as the Aseka-moke, Njago-gunda, Ngamba-namae, Chipekwe or Irizima. The Emela-ntouka is claimed to be around the size of an African Bush Elephant, brownish to gray in color, with a heavy tail, and with a body of similar shape and appearance to a rhinoceros, including one long horn on its snout. Keeping its massive bulky body above ground level supposedly requires four short, stump-like legs.
It is described as having no frills or ridges along the neck. The animal is alleged to be semi-aquatic and feed on Malombo and other leafy plants. The Emela-ntouka is claimed to utter a vocalization, described as a snort, rumble or growl….Wikipedia
Here is another aspect of this mystery; Chinese unicorns.
I was researching ancient Chinese rhinos and discovered that somehow there had come to be a conflagration of the rhino and the unicorn; the combo is known today as the “rhinoceros unicorn”. The ancient Chinese unicorn has a frame around its head that somewhat reminds one of the ceratopsian neck frill.
One Chinese site (Chinese-Unicorn.coms) sets out to prove in what would be our 4th cryptozoological mystery that the supposed 50,000 years extinct Elasmotherium is the actual creature being depicted as the ancient Chinese unicorn. Since monokeros is the Greek word meaning “one horn” from which the word unicorn comes to us, the elasmotherium is accurately described as a unicorn whether or not it was the “unicorn”.
Elasmotherium (“Thin Plate Beast”) is an extinct genus of giant rhinoceros endemic to Eurasia during the Late Pliocene through the Pleistocene, documented from 2.6 Ma to as late as 50,000 years ago, possibly later, in the Late Pleistocene, an approximate span of slightly less than 2.6 million years. Three species are recognised. The best known, E. sibiricum was the size of a mammoth and is thought to have borne a large, thick horn on its forehead which was used for defense, attracting mates, driving away competitors, sweeping snow from the grass in winter and digging for water and plant roots”….WikipediaHere we show an artists depiction of elasmotherium along with two ancient depictions of the unicorn. Left, Eastern Han Dynasty, 206 B.C. – 220 A.D. right, also Eastern Han Dynasty.
What is the being depicted in the object that sold at Christie’s auction in 2007 for $216K? A mythical creature? A ceratopsian? Emela-ntouka?
What it is is a genuine crptozoological mystery.
What it ain’t is a rhinoceros.
20th Century Pterosaur Displaying Previously Unknown Morphological Features That Might Have Been
Iola Register, September 25, 1896
CAUGHT IN FLORIDA. MARKET REPORTS.
Marine Monster Tbat Is Part Fish Part
Bird Part Animal.
“Sea serpents are becoming too common, and when Florida people decided to produce a marine monster the serpent family was ignored and the Diabolus Maris was produced.
The picture which is presented was made from a drawing sent to the Kansas City Journal by Capt. George Bier, of the United States Navy.
The animal was caught off the coast of Florida, at Malanzas inlet, in 72 feet of water. It was caught on a hook and line, and when dragged aboard the boat was full of fight.
In order to preserve the strange monster it was found necessary to kill it, for it was so vicious that it could not be handled.
This remarkable relic of the antediluvian monster seemed to be part bird, part fish and part animal.
Capt. Bier described it as follows:
“It has no scales, although it can swim. A portion of its body is covered with hair and when it wants to fly it inflates two windbags behind its wings. This Inflation is through its gills, which are situated on its breast. It stands upright upon its feet, which are shaped like hoofs. Its face and body are more human like than anything else and its mouth is like that of a raccoon, garnished with two rows of teeth. It stood about 20 inches high and strutted like a rooster.”Above and below the creature compared to a “modern” pteosaur depiction and below to an antique African pterosaur depiction.
After its capture the monster was christened DIABOLUS MARIS, and was transferred to Tampa. Fla. where it has since been on exhibition. Naturalists who have seen it can find no other name for it, and it’s like has never been seen before.
Some fish have fins that resemble wings, and can be used for flying, but fish do not wear hair.
The presence of legs prove that it is not a fish, and its ability to live under water and the gills
prove that it is not a bird.”…End of article
Question? If pterosaurs had an air bladder on their backs that could be filled with air to assist them in flight would we be able to determine this from fossils?
Would an air bladder help to explain how such large creatures could get off the ground? Paleontologists are so confused by the subject that they recently released to widely separated “studies” reported heavily in the media that reached two opposite conclusions; pterosaurs could not fly and alternatively they were the best flyers ever. (Couldn’t Fly-Mar 2009
Could Fly 10,000 Miles-Oct 2010)
Did we know that pterosaurs had “hair” or that they may have been able to breathe under water? That they had gills?
“The pterosaurs seem to have been able to fly soon after birth ( as possibly were some ancestral birds which means that during this prodigious growth their aerodynamics had to be functional at all times. In contrast, modern birds are born flightless and only begin to fly at nearly adult size.” .BBC Science
It makes more sense that God created pterosaurs with the ability to fly utilizing wings and air bladders than to believe that mutation and survival of the fittest created winged flightless creatures, eh Paleontologists?
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I asked to reprint this for various reasons. The first being that the "Diabolus Marinus" (Sea Devil) is actually a Jenny Haniver: a mummified stingray cut up and rearranged to represent a dragon or monster. Lately several things of this type are being circulated as Aliens or Chupacabras. So that one is easily disposed of. That being said, there are still three legitimate Cryptozoological mysteries represented on this web posting.
The one "Dinosaur" is interesting in that it is a depiction of a Cryptid not usually shown in its "Classic" range or the "Classic" description. It is a large reptile that has been called an "Iguanodon" before and has been said to be seen infrequently on the jungle side East of the Andes in Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador and Peru: Bernard Heuvelmans lists it in his intial Cryptozoological checklist as one of his basic categories but does not give details. better and more recent reports say it is more like a Komodo dragon in size and shape and so it really could be "Just a fat lizard." But that "Fat lizard" would still be of a type not currently known to science and this is most interesting because here you have a representation of the thing itself and not some other representation from someplace else that you have to use as the illustration of the type in its place, because that is what you have and you infer the two things are the same thing. (That has been my situation up until now)
I also feel this "Unicorn" is an Elasmotherium, and the Elasmotherium may have been combined with a more usual rhinoceros in the two-horned example. Or it could be a freakish individual. Other types of rhinos DO have the overhanging upper lip like a break: in fact that is one basic way you tell the two African rhinos apart. The one illustrated in the photo is the "White" rhino and is the one that did not have such a lip.
As to the ideogram with a collar or frill, some kinds of lizard have that. the conventionalization is so vague that you could not make a sound case for any particular identification.
Now the "Bird on the head of the Monster" from Africa, I am not so interested in the conventionalized "Bird" part. I AM however quite interested in the head it is perched on. Because unless I miss my guess, that is possibly meant to be a water-monster like the Mokele-mBembe and it resembles the head of a Plesiosaur. It has sharp teeth and so it is not a Sauropod, notr yet is it like any of the common game animals to be found in the jungles of Central Africa. I am of the opinion that it does represent a Mokele-mBembe and it does represent a plesiosaur, but it would be good to have confirmation of that before going on the record with that opinion.
Best Wishes, Dale D.
I asked to reprint this for various reasons. The first being that the "Diabolus Marinus" (Sea Devil) is actually a Jenny Haniver: a mummified stingray cut up and rearranged to represent a dragon or monster. Lately several things of this type are being circulated as Aliens or Chupacabras. So that one is easily disposed of. That being said, there are still three legitimate Cryptozoological mysteries represented on this web posting.
The one "Dinosaur" is interesting in that it is a depiction of a Cryptid not usually shown in its "Classic" range or the "Classic" description. It is a large reptile that has been called an "Iguanodon" before and has been said to be seen infrequently on the jungle side East of the Andes in Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador and Peru: Bernard Heuvelmans lists it in his intial Cryptozoological checklist as one of his basic categories but does not give details. better and more recent reports say it is more like a Komodo dragon in size and shape and so it really could be "Just a fat lizard." But that "Fat lizard" would still be of a type not currently known to science and this is most interesting because here you have a representation of the thing itself and not some other representation from someplace else that you have to use as the illustration of the type in its place, because that is what you have and you infer the two things are the same thing. (That has been my situation up until now)
I also feel this "Unicorn" is an Elasmotherium, and the Elasmotherium may have been combined with a more usual rhinoceros in the two-horned example. Or it could be a freakish individual. Other types of rhinos DO have the overhanging upper lip like a break: in fact that is one basic way you tell the two African rhinos apart. The one illustrated in the photo is the "White" rhino and is the one that did not have such a lip.
As to the ideogram with a collar or frill, some kinds of lizard have that. the conventionalization is so vague that you could not make a sound case for any particular identification.
Now the "Bird on the head of the Monster" from Africa, I am not so interested in the conventionalized "Bird" part. I AM however quite interested in the head it is perched on. Because unless I miss my guess, that is possibly meant to be a water-monster like the Mokele-mBembe and it resembles the head of a Plesiosaur. It has sharp teeth and so it is not a Sauropod, notr yet is it like any of the common game animals to be found in the jungles of Central Africa. I am of the opinion that it does represent a Mokele-mBembe and it does represent a plesiosaur, but it would be good to have confirmation of that before going on the record with that opinion.
Best Wishes, Dale D.
While I am stumped by the rhino sculpture's "unicorn horn," I can definitely say it's not a ceratopsian. For one thing, being a ceratopsian "without a frill" would make it a very primitive form. Unfortunately, the only known ceratopsians of that type lack obvious facial horns and were partly bipedal. Likewise, fossils from multiple ceratopsians feature scales, armored knobs, and bristles on the back and tail. Since these appear both in basal and advanced ceratopsians, it is likely that they were universal in the group. The fact that they aren't described makes it unlikely that Emela-ntouka and the creature depicted in the statue are ceratopsians.
ReplyDeleteBeat regards,
Tyler Stone
To make a long story short, they lack many obvious ceratopsian features, making it far more likely that they are rhinos.
ReplyDeleteBest regards,
Tyler Stone
Oh I Quite Agree With You Tyler!
ReplyDeleteBest Wishes, Dale D!
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