PNW Sasquatch Illustration from Indiana Bigfooters

This illustration I take to be the same sort as the Patterson Sasquatch film female. Graywolf identifies this as "Painting from my Tlinget brothers Aunt" and adds "She lives on an Island by her self up by Ketchakan...said this was one of her friends..."
This is probably not so obvious but this type is larger and more massive, with a particularly large torso, and a smaller head which has not so large of a cranium as there is in the Easten type. The feet of this kind are also absolutely larger in size per the creature's height: this is the sort identified by Grover Krantz as Gigantopithecus (The type which he dealt with directly)

Bigfoot Evidence: Mississippi Skunk Ape Video

Wednesday, October 30, 2013
http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2013/10/breakdown-mississippi-skunk-ape-footage.html

Breakdown: Mississippi Skunk Ape Footage

Here's the breakdown you've been waiting for on the recent Mississippi skunk ape sighting filmed by hunter Josh Highcliff. Parabreakdown throws down some excellent questions, such as: Why didn't the person use the camera to zoom in? Why did he choose to run at the end? Or Why does the "skunk ape" look like a man in a costume? (Because it is?) One thing we know for sure is that this is definitely not a bear

Earlier:

Wednesday, October 30, 2013

http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2013/10/breaking-mississippi-man-films-skunk.html

Breaking: Mississippi Man Films Skunk Ape, Probably The Best Footage Since Patterson

Here is the commentary from a Facebook Bigfoot Discussion Group:

This is probably one of the best skunk ape footage we've ever seen. This video was filmed by Josh Highcliff, and if it's a prank, his name is attached to it forever. The background story is very convincing:

Here is exactly what I seen, I'm not sure what it is but can someone please tell me? Is there a person who can do video analyses or something? I got scared and ran away, i wish i stayed to keep taking the movie.

Date: october 24 - 2013 Where: about 9 miles west of Tunica, Mississippi on my hunting property Time: about 6pm

I was out hunting hogs, just sitting in a part of the swamp i have heard em before...it is not too far from a road. I was wearing hunting camo and just sitting dead still waiting for it to get dark, cause thats when the hogs come out. I hear a noise behind the tree i was sitting on, i thought it was the hogs, when i got around i could not believe my own two eyes.

There was this huge black thing crouched by a dead cypress about 50 yards away, i thought it was a hog but saw these big shoulders and a head upright with hands. It looked like it was digging out the stump. My first instinct was to run, i did not even think of shooting...then i know no one will believe me...it was like everything slowed down...i was scared! I took out my iphone and started videotaping it..i guess i pushed the record button twice cause it stopped blinking red.. but i pushed it again. I hear a truck driving down the road and the thing stood up!! I was trying to be dead quiet...when it stood up i could not control myself and ran. That stump was huge and i'd guess the sucker was 7feet tall, i am a hunter and am pretty darn good at guessing size.

that's no bear!

I don't know what to think.. if someone can tell me what it is or if somone was trying to prank me i, I don't want to go back on my land. this is the first movie i have ever put on youtube..the video looks better on my phone and computer

I always heard stories of skunk ape and honey island swamp monster from these parts but never thought about it being real ever.

has anyone seen anything like this in mississippi?

Lost Nessie Spotted off Magnetic Island

Lost Nessie Spotted off Magnetic Island   

Magnetic Island is abuzz after a strange, monster-like object suddenly appeared out of waters off Picnic Bay on the weekend.


The spectacle had visitors and locals scratching their heads, with theories ranging from large birds to sunken boats.
Magnetic Island resident David “Crusty” Herron, who took this photo, said he was glad to capture the animal or object on film, and had started calling it Lost Nessie.
“I looked out and saw this thing in the water and thought,.. it’s a Loch Ness monster’,” he said.
“There was this feeling of excitement on the beach, and all these people were pointing and talking about what it could be.
“Someone said it looked like the Loch Ness monster, and said maybe Scotland had been too cold lately so it decided to come and visit Maggie.”


The most likely explanation is that the low tide revealed part of a sunken boat, with reports a dragon boat went down off the island one week ago during a race.
Regardless, Mr Herron said that the sighting could be an asset to tourism, and attract more visitors to the island.
Anyone with explanations are being urged to come forward.

http://theviralpost.com/lost-nessie-spotted-off-magnetic-island/

[We have run reports on Dragon boats before: That is NOT what a Dragon boat looks like!!]

Dale, Greetings from Magnetic island,

 

Dale please find attached my original photograph 'Loch Ness Nessie on Magnetic Island', attached, taken on Friday 25th October off Picnic Bay Beach on Magnetic Island.

Regrettably the camera was a $49 Samasung ES80 with an incorrect setting.

 

I give you permission to use the image with the Attribution: Is this a Loch Ness Monster, Magnetic Island, Queensland. David Crusty Herron.

 

on both your blog and your post http://frontiersofzoology.blogspot.com.au/2013/10/loch-ness-monster-emerges-at-magnetic.html and any other site to which you may contribute providing attribution is made as above.

 

Thanks Dale

 

Crusty

David Crusty Herron
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Magnetic Island
AUSTRALIA

Check out my blog...
http://magnetic-island-weddings-help.blogspot.com.au/

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Special thanks go to Dave "Crusty" Herron!

An Ohio Orangutan?

Thomas Ward  Youngstown,ohio bigfoot research group

October 28

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=623302131045819&set=gm.510584005704074&type=1&theater

someone tell me what hell is this in a tree make it bigger circled yellow

 

 

 

The upper part very likely is not attached to the main "Body" part. But the main "Body" does look very much like the head and body of a young orangutan, up in a tree, with the long arms hidden in the leaves and branches. It looks like an arm is coming off at the right and holding onto the nearest tree trunk on that side. It seems to have drawn up knees and a very definite orangutan face.

 

Bigfoot Evidence: Bowhunter Video

Tuesday, October 29, 2013

Breaking: Tim Wells Bow Hunter Films Bigfoot, Hi-Def (Updated: Enhanced)

 

Tim Wells, while bow hunting with his partner filmed a tall dark figure tree peeking from behind a tree. The two hunters tried to get a better look, but the two seconds they filmed was all they needed to be convinced that it was not a bear. Check out the video below:

 

 

 bow-hunter-films-bigfoot-hi-def

 Could be legit...

Looks like a man in a suit to me.

Loch Ness Monster Emerges at Magnetic Island, North Queensland, Claim Beachgoers

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/517665/20131029/loch-ness-monster-nessie-lake.htm#.Um_yUdzD-1v

Loch Ness Monster Emerges at Magnetic Island, North Queensland, Claim Beachgoers

By Athena Yenko | October 29, 2013 10:52 AM EST

On Oct 25, beachgoers at Magnetic Island, off Townsville, claimed that they saw "a distinctive long, curved neck bobbing up and down off the coast," AAP reports.
The beachgoers were quick to associate the image they saw to the mythical creature Loch Ness monster or most popularly called Nessie
Locals of the Magnetic Island were now desperate to find answer or a name to the image that they saw.
"It was bobbing up and down in the water and at first I thought, what's that? Someone yelled out 'it looks like a Loch Ness monster. I've never seen anything like it - it could be anything. We are all wanting to know what it is," David Herron, a marriage celebrant told AAP.
Mr Herron was able to photograph the "monster" from a 200 metres distance.
However, marine biologists who have seen the photograph taken by Mr Herron said that the object bobbing up and down off the coast could be a piece of a tree or boat.

Glen Chilton, James Cook University biology professor, echoed what the marine biologists said. "It's probably a piece of a tree or piece of a boat which has somehow broken away," he told AAP.

But Australian cryptozoologist and self-proclaimed "yowie man" Rex Gilroy took the locals' side saying that "it's hard to say from the photo" whether the image seen was just that of a piece of tree or a part of a boat.
Mr Gilroy said that he had known 800 sightings of creatures resembling the Loch Ness monster. Some of these sightings were from the Magnetic Island and Townsville area. In fact, in Oct 2012, a local fisherman saw a grey coloured creature emerging from waters off the Magnetic Island.

The mystery about the Loch Ness monster, Nessie, had been being told over and again for 80 years now.
The story started as far back on Apr 14, 1933, when a couple - John Mackay and his wife - saw something strange as they drove past the Loch Ness Lake in Scottish Highlands. According to accounts, the couple described what they saw as something resembling a whale.
The story of Mr and Mrs Mackay had since then gave birth to more sightings of the Loch Ness monster. To date, there is still no concrete evidence to support the sightings.

Scientists even consider the mystery of the Loch Ness monster as a myth and hoax to drive tourism to the lake.


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The descriptions bring to mind the classic Longneck's arching-over fishing posture. The logo for the Champ Search echoes that shape and so also does a recent photograph said to be Champ showing his neck in a similar posture, This photo is also hotly disputed, however--DD]

Bigfoot, Sasquatch and Skunk Ape

 Some comparative illustrations from a google photo search:

Sasquatches (Gigantopithecus ex Krantz) picking berries

 

Head of a young adult female female Sasquatch ( Relict Gigantopithecus)

Of the beings shown on this blog entry, ONLY this is truly a Cryptid.

The others are either known species (Wildmen) or assumedly known species

 (Skunk Apes or NAPES, which are close enough to orangutans to be considered as such)

 

 

Eastern Bigfoot or "Caveman" type ( Pre-modern Homo sapiens)

Kentucky Bigfoot (American Almas, archaic Homo sapiens)

 

 

Skunk Ape, Swamp Ape, Agropelter , American Yeti or NAPES, often very much like an orangutan

 

(Stock Illustrations)

 

Map 1, the known species of Wildman, which is in our own species,

 and the Orangutan like unrecognized apes which are provisionally the same as the known species

(Owing to the fossil forms still being classified as the same species but this could change)

Populations are widely scattered over the indicated areas, discontinuous, and nowhere common.

 

Map 2 the Sasquatch like forms or Neo-Giants

 (Including also the True Giants as exaggerated individual reports out of the same general category.)

As before, scattered populations in retreat and  total numbers seem to be dwindling over time.

The Hairy People

This is an illustration just posted in The Hairy People page on Facebook:

 

Image credit RobRoy Menzies

This I think is a fair depiction of an American Almas or Eastern Bigfoot (Hairy Human variety and not the more apelike variety). More and more people consider this to be only a primitive hairy type of Homo sapiens.
I would like to point out a few of the more obvious features recognizable in this type:
1. The head is relatively large and is well emerged from the shoulders. The cranium is high and domed. This one has a kind of a peak in the back of the head. The actual size of the head is over a foot high and in fact the head can be said to be twice the size of a normal human's head in some reports.
2. The creature has a bare forehead rising perhaps three inches back of the brows. Also the head hair is differentiated from the body hair (not obvious here) and falls to the shoulder blades in back.
3. The eyes can be quite large (more obvious than in this illustration) and there is a regular human-like projecting (hooded) nose
4. The body is of humanlike proportions although very heavy and burly. The arms and legs are as in human anatomy and both about the same absolute length. Hands and feet are like ordinary humans in anatomy but proportionately broader.
5. Although this is a convention rather than a strictly statistically obvious feature, the colouration is dark brown rather than black.
6. And pretty glaringly different, the creature is using a tool, it had a length of log that it is using as a club. This type will use arrangements of sticks as trail signs and can weave fallen branches into barriers, walls and shelters

Every one of these feature is in contrast to the Patterson film female:

By which it should be obvious that we are dealing with something distinctively different here.

Photos from Jeff Kiser, The Hairy People group:

Typical American Almas track, not necessarily much longer than a human foot but very broad and Neanderthal-like

And possible lean to structures or very primitive huts of a sort. These examples are from Washington state but are typical of examples found much further to the East.

'Lost world' discovered in remote Australia

http://news.yahoo.com/lost-world-discovered-remote-australia-024127998.html

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Sydney (AFP) - An expedition to a remote part of northern Australia has uncovered three new vertebrate species isolated for millions of years, with scientists Monday calling the area a "lost world".
Conrad Hoskin from James Cook University and a National Geographic film crew were dropped by helicopter onto the rugged Cape Melville mountain range on Cape York Peninsula earlier this year and were amazed at what they found.
It included a bizarre looking leaf-tail gecko, a gold-coloured skink -- a type of lizard -- and a brown-spotted, yellow boulder-dwelling frog, none of them ever seen before.
"The top of Cape Melville is a lost world. Finding these new species up there is the discovery of a lifetime -- I'm still amazed and buzzing from it," said Hoskin, a tropical biologist from the Queensland-based university.
"Finding three new, obviously distinct vertebrates would be surprising enough in somewhere poorly explored like New Guinea, let alone in Australia, a country we think we've explored pretty well."

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Graphic on three new vertebrate species discovered in a remote part of northern Australia (AFP Photo …

The virtually impassable mountain range is home to millions of black granite boulders the size of cars and houses piled hundreds of metres high, eroded in places after being thrust up through the earth millions of years ago.
While surveys had previously been conducted in the boulder-fields around the base of Cape Melville, a plateau of boulder-strewn rainforest on top, identified by satellite imagery, had remained largely unexplored, fortressed by massive boulder walls.
Within days of arriving, the team had discovered the three new species as well as a host of other interesting finds that Hoskins said may also be new to science.
The highlight was the leaf-tailed gecko, a "primitive-looking" 20 centimetre-long (7.9 inches) creature that is an ancient relic from a time when rainforest was more widespread in Australia.
The Cape Melville Leaf-tailed Gecko, which has huge eyes and a long, slender body, is highly distinct from its relatives and has been named Saltuarius eximius, Hoskin said, with the findings detailed in the latest edition of the international journal Zootaxa.

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"The second I saw the gecko I knew it was a new species. Everything about it was obviously distinct," he said.
Highly camouflaged, the geckos sit motionless, head-down, waiting to ambush passing insects and spiders.
The Cape Melville Shade Skink is also restricted to moist rocky rainforest on the plateau, and is highly distinct from its relatives, which are found in rainforests to the south.
Also discovered was a small boulder-dwelling frog, the Blotched Boulder-frog, which during the dry season lives deep in the labyrinth of the boulder-field where conditions are cool and moist, allowing female frogs to lay their eggs in wet cracks in the rocks.
In the absence of water, the tadpole develops within the egg and a fully formed frog hatches out.

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Once the summer wet season begins the frogs emerge on the surface of the rocks to feed and breed in the rain.
Tim Laman, a National Geographic photographer and Harvard University researcher who joined Hoskin on the expedition, said he was stunned to know such undiscovered places remained.
"What's really exciting about this expedition is that in a place like Australia, which people think is fairly well explored, there are still places like Cape Melville where there are all these species to discover," he said.
"There's still a big world out there to explore."
According to National Geographic, the team plans to return to Cape Melville within months to search for more new species, including snails, spiders, and perhaps even small mammals.
"All the animals from Cape Melville are incredible just for their ability to persist for millions of years in the same area and not go extinct. It's just mind-blowing," Hoskin said.

Comparing Cryptid Ape Tracks

Some Comparisons of the Yeti "Mittenfoot" track cast of Cronin as provided by Dr. Meldrum
with Asian apes (Orangutan) and some purported "Unknown" ape tracks:

First the cast compared to the foot of an adult male orangutan,

 and then the cast "Trimmed" to show only the contact (footprint) area

 

The Yeti track is more developed but the big toe does seem to come off about the same

 place as it does in the orangutan. The (uncurled) toes are much shorter and both adaptations

 are for a ground living (terrestrial) species as opposed to a tree-climbing one.

 

Above, Orang Pendek and a young orangutan foot (extended)

and below the Yeti track cast compared to the Orang Pendek track cast

Please remember that Heuvelmans referred to the commoner reddish form of Yeti as

"The Little Yeti (Le Petit Yeti), later saying it was likely only another form of orangutan,

 and that Ivan T. Sanderson said this one was the same as the Orang Pendek

 

The fact that orangutan feet can be very variable even in the same individual at different ages makes it more difficult to say whether or not the Yetis and Orangutans or Orang Pendeks are actually completely different species. It also makes sorting out "Yeti" tracks more difficult.

 

 

 

Gordon Mullet's Eastern Bigfoot cast

 (Evidentally the same as the Skunk ape of Florida and Swamp ape of Texas/Louisiana) 

Shows resemblance to both Yeti and Orang Pendek-Broader and heavier like the Yeti but  with the reduced big toe like the Orang Pendek and Orangutan.

 

Gordon Mullet Writes:

 

Hello, Here is a ORANGATANS HAND,, looks like the one I photographed on the EASTERN BIGFOOT, Coshocton, county ,Ohio,, See: Cover MY page f/b,See: profile

 

 Above, photograph by Glen Mullet, and below the closeup

 

 

Impression of Eastern Bigfoot by Gordon Mullet

 

Gordon Mullet and a track cast, from Dr Meldrum's Facebook page

 

Hoax footprint of the Honey Island Swamp Monster. From M K Davis' Facebook wall, and Davis writes: This person is Ricky Holiness. He is the discoverer of the shoe out in the swamp.

 He had to look for quite a while in his home for the shoe, but eventually found it.

 This is really a great story and Jay Michael  tells it eloquently in his documentary.

 

This same type of hoax footprint (Alligator's foot fastened to the bottom of a shoe) has been repeated elsewhere and some of the Skunk Ape, Swamp Monster or Eastern Bigfoot tracks

 (including "3-Toed tracks") come from such a source.

 The footprint does unfortunately have some similarities to the more legitimate, more apelike tracks  

 

 

Some of the Ape tracks feature a long narrow foot and heel and resemble this "Dogman" footprint (from Scott Campbell on Facebook) and are probably actually from dog footprints where the whole foot is printed and not just the paw pads, and composite tracks from more than one footprint from the dog, superimposed.

World's first venomous crustacean found in WAustralia

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/technology/2013/10/25/12/36/worlds-first-venomous-crab-found-in-wa

World's first venomous crustacean found in WA

ninemsn staff

12:36pm October 25, 2013

The crustaceans are found in underwater caves of the Caribbean, Canary Islands and Australia. (Supplied)

The first world's first known venomous crustacean has been found in waters off Western Australia.
 The blind "remipede" poisons its prey with a similar kind of venom to that found in rattlesnakes, the BBC reports.
The venom contains a complex cocktail of poisons, including a paralysing agent, which breaks down a prey's body tissue, allowing the remipede to suck out a kind of liquid meal from its victim's exoskeleton.
The deadly crustacean can also be found in underwater caves of the Caribbean and Canary Islands and usually spends its time feeding on other small animals.
Dr Bjoern von Reumont from the Natural History Museum in London detailed the discovery in the journal Molecular Biology and Evolution.
"This is the first time we have seen venom being used in crustaceans and the study adds a new major animal group to the roster of known venomous animals," he wrote.

CORRECTION: An earlier version of this story mistakenly identified the remipede as a crab. While both species are crustaceans, their features are quite different. A remipede looks more like an underwater centipede, with head and an elongate trunk of up to forty-two similar body segments.
Source: BBC, Natural History Museum
Author: Natasha Lee, Approving editor: Nick Pearson

[The ones in the Canary Islands and Caribbean suggest a Transatlantic landbridge link in earlier times. The friend that sent this into me suggested a Sundaland connection for the Australian kind-DD]

No Your Dinosaurs! Who Knows for Certain What Dinosaurs Actually Looked Like?

This link was sent to me by one of the people connected to the s8int blog that knew I had an interest in the topic:
http://s8int.com/WordPress/2013/10/19/no-your-dinosaurs-who-knows-for-certain-what-dinosaurs-actually-looked-like-nobodyexcept-perhaps-the-eyewitnesses-responsible-for-the-ancient-dinosaur-art-at-the-peabody/

No Your Dinosaurs! Who Knows for Certain What Dinosaurs Actually Looked Like?Nobody!
Except Perhaps the Eyewitnesses Responsible for the Ancient Dinosaur Art at the Peabody.

Posted by Chris Parker



Isaiah 35:7
“And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water; in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.”
         
“No Your Dinosaurs! Who Knows for Certain What Dinosaurs Actually Looked Like? Nobody! Except Perhaps the Eyewitnesses Responsible for the Ancient Dinosaur Art at the Peabody”. by Chris Parker, s8int.com
         

 

 

 

 

 

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Prologue

In the movie; “The Princess Bride” an important character, Inigo has a conversation with the man in black during a sword fight and that conversation has become a trope in television and movies (convention or device used in creative works). The conversation goes something like this:
Inigo: “I admit it: you are better than I am!”
Man in Black: “Then why are you smiling?”
Inigo: “Because I know something you don’t know.”
Man in Black: “And what is that?”
Inigo: “I AM NOT LEFT HANDED” [Switches the sword to his right hand and starts driving him back]
I sometimes have the feeling that I am in Inigo’s position when I find myself in a conversation with someone about man and dinosaurs living at the same time.

“You believe that man and dinosaurs lived together at the same time within the last 10,000 years they’ll say incredulously”? Or perhaps they’ll say it sneeringly, or contemptuously or in some rare cases even sadly or compassionately.
They are quite certain that they have the upper hand, the science, the good sense, the pure knowledge the unmitigated certainty. They slap their foreheads. They roll their eyes. All that. They believe that they are winning this “fight”-discussion-debate because-come on! They may even be fellow believers.
They’re thinking that I have set science aside for some kind of blind faith belief in what science has said is impossible-for the sake of the Bible. They’re thinking I’m living in some anti-science anti-evidence bubble. However, as a Christian I have choices. I could believe as some Christian’s do that God created through evolution and that man and dinosaur did miss each other by millions of years.
I could believe that the dinosaurs were wiped out in the flood and thus man and dinosaur barely met. I could believe as some Christians do that God sent unbelievers a strong delusion because of their unbelief (Romans 1) and simply put the bones of animals that never existed in the ground in order to further delude them.
I could simply choose not to speak when this topic is raised thinking that as a Christian it is outside of my pay grade, that the answers are unknowable. I could choose to be cowed by the sheer numbers of people who unblinkingly accept the current paradigm.
But I know something they don’t know. I took a fact based approach. I went where the evidence took me and in this internet age the truth can be found. Many non-Christians don’t know that faith is supposed to be built- not on nothing as they assume—but on evidence. “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.” Heb 1:1
I have spent a lot of time sifting through the evidence in ancient history, the work of ancient “biologists” the articles in old newspapers and recently the evidence in world famous archaeological museums. The evidence is clear. The evidence is persuasive.
The evidence proves that dinosaurs and man lived together all over the world in the last few thousand years. Now, the Bible is a “type” of sword and in this dinosaur and man conversation we’re having they are the ones who don’t have the facts or the truth. There is a reason why I am smiling:– I AM NOT LEFT HANDED!
Peabody Museum Zoomorphic Stone Heads

Historians say that dragons appear in the history and art of virtually every ancient culture (as do stories of a great flood). Here’s an interesting fact along those lines; no matter what culture a piece of ancient art comes from everyone can instantly recognize a dragon. Isn’t that interesting? Here we have a supposedly completely mythological creature, a product of the imagination of man and culture and yet they agree across geography and time in the salient characteristics of their portrayals with the added peculiarity that everyone knows that they are dragons?
No modern artist who works for a science journal or a museum or is otherwise engaged in depicting dinosaurs from a few bones is going to draw a dragon-like creature. So, although dragons are reptilian, frightening sometimes preternaturally large creatures—and so are dinosaurs they don’t often look much alike when you get down to the details. But here’s the rub when it comes to that; no one living actually knows what dinosaurs looked like.
In prior articles on this topic we’ve often quoted Discover Magazine on this point;

There’s a running joke among professional dinosaur artists that goes like this: Given just an elephant skeleton, they’d probably render a titanic hamster. Does anyone know what dinosaurs really looked like? Sure we do. We see them everywhere, not just in the museums, but in magazines, movies, even in value meals at McDonald’s. But all of these lifelike renderings are mostly artistic interpretations based on very sparse scientific evidence. Discover Magazine, What Did Dinosaurs Really Look Like? By William Speed Weed, Christopher Griffith|Friday, September 01, 2000
http://discovermagazine.com/2000/sep/featdino

Of course, Discover Magazine isn’t the only source that admits that science is just guessing when it puts forth a drawing or illustration of a dinosaur—particularly when many dinosaurs are only known from a few bones.
A new book entitled “All Yesterdays: Unique and Speculative Views of Dinosaurs and Other Prehistoric Animals” by paleo artists C.M Koseman and John Conway is a review of dinosaur depictions and misconceptions in science art and a speculation about potential alternate depictions. They are basically letting the reader in on their secret that the work they do is simply informed speculation.

In the photo on the right they freely speculate on how a dinosaur paleontologist might have interpreted the bones (absent muscle and soft parts) of the cow and the housecat (bottom).
This interpretation problem makes it tougher on “crypto-zoo-archaeologists” like me. My hypothesis that man and dinosaur lived during the same age and that the ancient peoples would have left evidence in the form of their art, history and artifacts is complicated by the fact that the work of paleo artists today might not match up with the work of the actual eyewitnesses living in the past.
Thus, for instance a dinosaur in an archaeological museum like Harvard’s Peabody Museum might be perfectly depicted by the ancient artist but not match up with current thinking on how that dinosaur looked and go unrecognized; categorized as zoomorphic, unknown, animal, mythological creature or simply reptile. (Actually my experience is that any depiction recognizable as a dinosaur or one which is deemed too close does not end up in the front room of the museum in any case).
For example, in eyewitness viewings of what I believe are living pterosaurs over the last few years some have described the creature the saw as “almost prehistoric looking”, which could mean that they saw a living creature that did not completely comport with modern illustrations of the creature.
Moche Culture Vase in the Form of…?

In the last few weeks I set out to prove my hypothesis at the Harvard Peabody, online archaeological museum site as well as at other online collection sites. The Peabody Museum of Archaeology and Ethnology at Harvard University “is steward to one of the oldest and largest collections of cultural objects in the Western Hemisphere”. Other online collections visited include, the Penn Museum, the Met and several Museums of Central and South America.
Could it be shown that creatures that are recognizable as dinosaurs and Not dragons-in the mythological sense are somehow going unnoticed in their online collections? Can we show how specific types of dinosaurs might have been erroneously depicted? In that case, the depiction would have to be close enough for an identification to be made.
In this article and shall we say “collection” I intend to show once again through the arts of ancient peoples that man and dinosaur lived together within the last 5,000 years—but only to the fair and open minded.
         
The Eyewitness to Recent, Ancient History Dinosaur Collection, Part 1
1)Chasmosaurus at the Museo Larco, Peru

Actually it is not a piece from the Peabody that I wish to start with. It is a piece from the Museo Larco that illustrates the points we have been making about identification and misidentification most clearly. (See complete vessel at top of this article).
The Larco Museum (Spanish: Museo Arqueológico Rafael Larco Herrera) is a privately owned museum of pre-Columbian art, located in the Pueblo Libre District of Lima, Peru. The museum is housed in an 18th-century vice-royal building built over a 7th-century pre-Columbian pyramid.
The Inca civilization spanned the period of 1438 to 1533 in pre-Columbian South America. That would make this piece between 500 to 600 years old.

Inca Pot Water Carrier Lima Museo Larco, Peru

I believe that the animal atop this Inca water carrier (and atop this article) is a ceratopsian dinosaur of a type similar to Chasmosaurus particularly given the placement of its horn and the shape of its frill. Ceratopsians might have broken down neatly into the categories now suggested by science or they could have been as widely divergent as dogs are today. They may have been sexually dimorphic and animals identified as belonging to another species may have only been sexually dimorphic or juvenile versions of other science-identified species.

“Chasmosaurus (/?kæzm??s?r?s/ KAZ-mo-SAWR-?s) is a genus of ceratopsid dinosaur from the Upper Cretaceous Period of North America. Its name means ‘opening lizard’, referring to the large openings (fenestrae) in its frill (Greek chasma meaning ‘opening’ or ‘hollow’ or ‘gulf’ and sauros meaning ‘lizard’). With a length of 4–5 metres (13–16 ft) and a weight of 2 tonnes (2.2 short tons), Chasmosaurus was a ceratopsian of average size. Like all ceratopsians, it was purely herbivorous. It was initially to be called Protorosaurus, but this name had been previously published for another animal.
All specimens of Chasmosaurus were collected from the Dinosaur Park Formation of the Dinosaur Provincial Park of Alberta, Canada. C. russelli comes from the lower beds of the formation while C. belli comes from middle and upper beds. “…Wikipedia

Let me explain what I believe that you’re looking at. It is a ceratopsian dinosaur similar to the Chasmosaurus. It is 500 years old. The right horn has broken off and is probably what is seen on the animal’s right side from the reader’s perspective.
The heavy ceratopsian tail curls up at the back and the animal fits in terms of body shape and tail for a ceratopsian. The animal has a crest and you should be able to see that the complete head, ending behind the horns includes a solid neck frill ending in a ‘V” shape similar to that of the chasmosaurus. In the photo on the left I have thoughtfully replaced the animals missing horn. The artist took pains to make sure that the ceratopsian toes were outlined for the viewer as well.
I believe what we have here is a depiction of a ceratopsian dinosaur that differs slightly from what one expects given modern depictions. The beak is slightly less pronounced-but evident. The horns are actually in the exact place on its head as the horns on modern Chasmosaurus depictions. The creature has growths (possibly pre-horn?) growths on the front of its face that are not seen on ceratopsian depictions.
This is clearly a depiction of a ceratopsian dinosaur by an actual eyewitness some 500 years ago in pre Columbian South America. It should be noted that all the ceratopsia were supposed to have gone extinct 65 million years ago.
         
2)Peabody Museum ”6,000 to 7,000 Year Old” Ceramic Bottle with Bi-Pedal Dinosaur (Iguanodon?) from South America

“Peabody Number: 90-27-30/54866 Display Title: Black ware stirrup spouted vase Descriptions: Inventory Description: Ceramic bottle, stirrup spout, chipped rim, animal effigy, molded body, lying on its side. Classification: Stirrup spout Department: Archaeological Geography/Provenience: South America/Peru Materials: Ceramic

The earliest ceramics known from the Americas have been found in the lower Amazon Basin. Ceramics from the Caverna de Pedra Pintada, near Santarém, Brazil, have been dated to 7,500 to 5,000 years ago. Ceramics from Taperinha, also near Santarém, have been dated to 7,000 to 6,000 years ago.” Peabody Museum

This appears to me quite clearly to represent some type of bi-pedal theropod dinosaur. Here we show the artifact on its side so that the identification of this dinosaur is more easily made.
The trio below is shown with two versions of the dinosaur iguanodon, a bi-pedal dinosaur which has been found in North America.
Distinctive features of iguanodon include large thumb spikes, which were possibly used for defence against predators, combined with long prehensile fifth fingers able to forage for food…Wikipedia.
Unfortunately that part of the sculpture has been worn away-like noses in Egyptian artifacts. Part of the tail has apparently broken off as well. I believe that this piece represents a bi pedal theropod dinosaur like iguanodon or a relative.
         
3)Nayarit Chinesco “Embryonic Dog” May Be Baby Sauropod


Nayarit is a state in western Mexico. The Nayarit culture from which this artifact comes is from the period 300 B.C. to 400 A.D.—or even older. This piece is said to represent an embryonic dog. Another identification would seem to be in order for this piece.
         
For one thing, dogs do not have necks this long. Here I’ve shown it in comparison to an animal that really did have such a long neck; the sauropod dinosaur.

Nayarit Chinesco Pottery Painted Embryonic Dog Online Collections Auction Auction date November 2012 Pre-Columbian, West Mexico, Ca. 300 BC to 200 AD. Buff pottery, unique representation, elastic form. Surface has traces of original polychrome color. Provenance: Ex-Dr. R. Boyd Stifler, Vanderwagen NM. Rare specimen Authenticity Guaranteed Condition:Some wear to surface and with nice dendrite deposits.”..Online Collections

Recently a sauropod embryo was found and the sauropod embryo depicted comes from the “Tiniest Giants: Discovering Dinosaur Eggs”.
Sauropods are supposed to have gone extinct 65 million years ago.
         
4)Ancient Pueblo Culture (1200 B.C.-1500 A.D.) Native Americans of What is Now Arizona Craft Dinosaur Named Aetosaur; Most of Whose Fossils Have Been Found in Arizona
         
Aetosaur Skeleton Top and Ancient Pueblo Artifact below.

“The Pueblo people are Native American people in the Southwestern United States comprising several different language groups and two major cultural divisions, one organized by matrilineal kinship systems and the other having a patrilineal system.
These determine the clan membership of children, and lines of inheritance and descent. Their traditional economy is based on agriculture and trade. At the time of Spanish encounter in the 16th century, they were living in villages that the Spanish called pueblos, meaning “towns””…Wikipedia

This piece comes from a 1936 expedition to the Hopi reservation and was determined to be from one of the Pueblo Native American cultures. It is described by the Peabody Museum as “zoomorphic”. Looking at a list of dinosaur fossils found in Arizona one can quickly see that there is a similarity between the archaeological piece and –the aetosaur. (Angle of aetosaur skeleton head adjusted for comparison purposes.)

“Aetosaurs order name Aetosauria from Greek, ????? (aetos, “eagle”) and ?????? (sauros, “lizard”)) are an extinct order of heavily armoured, medium- to large-sized Late Triassic herbivorous archosaurs. They have small heads, upturned snouts, erect limbs, and a body covered by plate-like scutes. All aetosaurs belong to the family Stagonolepididae.
Most fossils have been found from Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas…Wikipedia

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Here is a sobering fact for those of us who can accept the fact that the ancient Pueblo people of Arizona actually saw and depicted an aetosaur which supposedly lived from 200 million years ago becoming extinct 65 million years or more ago;

“Since their armoured plates are often preserved and are abundant in certain localities, aetosaurs serve as important Late Triassic tetrapod index fossils. Many aetosaurs had wide geographic ranges, but their stratigraphic ranges were relatively short. Therefore, the presence of particular aetosaurs can accurately date a site that they are found in.”
You see the problem? Aetosaurs were roaming around the North American continent during the span of the Pueblo peoples; 1200 B.C. to 1500 A.D. and one of their artists memorialized the aetosaur in ceramic.

Peabody Number: 36-131-10/8060 Display Title: Zooomorphic black on white potsherd–animal form Inventory Description: Ceramic, zoomorphic figurine, with tail, opened mouth, two feet, black painted design on back and sides Classification: Figurine Department: Archaeological Culture/Period: Pueblo Geography/Provenience: North America/United States/Arizona/Navajo County/Hopi Reservation/Antelope Mesa/Awatovi Intrasite: Test 14 Geo-Locale: Antelope Mesa Materials: Ceramic Pigment Provenance: Dr. John Otis Brew (1936) Provenance: Peabody Museum Expedition (1936)

         
5) Crested Hadrosaur Depiction by the Ancient Peoples of Costa Rica at the Peabody Museum. (Modern Artists May Need to Put Some Weight on the Bones of these Depictions)
Crested Dinosaurs are fairly easy to recognize. Most of the crested dinosaurs are from the Lambeosaurinae of the hadrosaur group. The hadrosaurs were also known as the duck billed dinosaurs.

This depiction forms the legs of an ancient pottery piece. The pot is from Costa Rica, Central America. The crests on the various types of lambosaurines differed in size and shape even among the same species and they likely differed due to age and due to sexual dimorphism.
The hadrosaurs depicted have relatively small, round crests. Here we compare them to a number of known lambeosaurines including corythsaurus.

It is interesting that the depictions are clearly of the same animal but that the portraits differ. The ancient depictions are similar to modern ones except for the apparent weight of the creatures and the size of the eyes depicted.

“Archaeologists now know that civilization existed in Costa Rica for thousands of years before the arrival of Columbus, and evidence of human occupation in the region dates back 10,000 years. Among the cultural mysteries left behind by the area’s pre-Columbian inhabitants are thousands of perfectly spherical granite bolas that have been found near the west coast.

The sizes of these inimitable relics range from that of a baseball to that of a Volkswagen bus. Ruins of a large, ancient city complete with aqueducts were recently found east of San Jose, and some marvelously sophisticated gold and jade work was being wrought in the southwest as far back as 1,000 years ago. Some archeological sites in the central highlands and Nicoya peninsula have shown evidence of influence from the Mexican Olmec and Nahuatl civilizations.
By the time Columbus arrived, there were four major indigenous tribes living in Costa Rica. The east coast was the realm of the Caribs, while the Borucas, Chibchas, and Diquis resided in the southwest. “..geographia.com

Peabody Number: 26-44-20/C9956 Display Title: Small pottery vessel Descriptions: Inventory Description: Ceramic complete tripod jar, zoomorphic rattle feet (1 missing) Classification: Jar Department: Archaeological Geography/Provenience: Central America/Costa Rica

         
6)A New Look at Dicynodont Therapsids Like Moschop from the Ancient Peoples Living I Peru, South America

The identity of this animal portrait was unknown apparently and thus it was given the general description “animal effigy” by the Harvard Peabody Museum. Was this animal purely a mythological one seen only in the imaginary eye of the artist—or was it seen with the artist’s actual eyes?
As you will see the depiction of the living therapsid is actually close enough to modern depictions of these types of creatures as to be readily identified. In appearance it is close to that of therapsids such as moschops which we know from fossils found in South Africa.

‘Moschops (Greek for “calf face”) is an extinct genus of therapsid that lived in the Guadalupian epoch, around 268-260 million years ago. Therapsids are synapsids which were at one time the dominant land animals. It was around 2.7 metres (8 ft 10 in) long..
….Moschops was heavily built, and had short, chisel-like teeth for cropping vegetation. Moschops mostly ate plants, but sometimes ate meat. The forelegs sprawled outwards, like those of a modern lizard, but the hind legs were under the body, like those of a mammal.” Wikipedia

Peabody Number: 46-77-30/5868 Display Title: Pottery animal figurine Descriptions: Inventory Description: Ceramic whistle, animal effigy Classification: Whistle Department: Archaeological Geography/Provenience: South America/Peru/La Libertad Region///Sausal Materials: Ceramic

Here we show the ancient, ceramic artifact in comparison to moschop and to another dicynodont therapsid. Moschops and therapsids similar to him supposedly went extinct before the dinosaurs even evolved. Clearly of this ancient Peruvian artifact represents one of these creatures something is extremely wrong with the evolutionary time scale.
         
7) Quapaw’s “Underwater Panther” from the 1500”s Could In Fact Be an Eyewitness Depiction of Dinosaur Such As Tenontosaurus

According to Wikipedia the Mississippian culture was a mound building group of indigenous people who lived in the Midwestern, Eastern, and Southeastern United States from approximately 800 A.D. to 1500 A.D. The collectors at Artsmia.org believe it to be a depiction of a mythological creature called an underwater panther. That makes these people seem “mystical” all right.
But what if it is an accurate depiction of an animal living at the time that we would call a dinosaur-rendered somewhat invisible as a depiction because modern versions of the creature differ greatly? Here is the museum description:

“The prominent colored swirls and eye motifs mark this animal as an Underwater Panther, one of the primary beings in the ancient Mississippian belief system and that of their descendants. The swirling pattern on its sides signifies water, while the eye markings allude to the animal’s unusually keen vision.
Red and white were symbolically significant colors that represented fundamental oppositions such as peace and war, light and dark and the on-going struggle between the celestial and subterranean realms. Underwater Panthers belonged to the subterranean and possessed great supernatural power. Their significance led Mississippian and subsequent artists to depict them frequently in many forms and media, including three-dimensional sculptures like this vessel. “

The toes of this creature appear to be triple toed-similar to a dinosaur. Its tail is very thick in the way dinosaur tails are often illustrated by modern paleo artists. I took a look to see what types of dinosaur fossils were prominent with respect to quadruped dinosaurs in those parts of the United States.

Here we show the “underwater panther” in comparison to tenontosaurus a genus of medium to large ornnithopod dinosaurs. It should be noted that there were a number of ornnithopod dinosaurs found to have lived in those parts of north America which would have had similar body shapes.
The genus tenontosaurus is known from the late Aptian to Albian ages of the middle Cretaceous period sediments of western North America, dating between 115 to 108 million years ago. It was formerly thought to be a ‘hypsilophodont’, but since Hypsilophodontia is no longer considered a clade, it is now considered to be a very primitive iguanodont.
The teeth of this portrait do give me pause. The point is however not that we know the specific type of dinosaur that was sculpted, but rather that it is more likely that it is a dinosaur being depicted here rather than an underwater panther (which itself sounds like a cryptid).

Vessel Artist Unknown (Quapaw) (United States, North America), c. 1500 Ceramic, pigment 9 1/8 x 10 3/8 x 5 1/4 in. (23.18 x 26.35 x 13.34 cm) The William Hood Dunwoody Fund 2004.33

         
8)Metropolitan Museum of Asian Art’s Sauropod Dinosaur from Iran 250 B.C. to 225 A.D.

This artifact is from the Metropolitan Museum of Asian art and is labeled “zoomorphic”. I’m somewhat surprised that they didn’t call it a camel. Clearly however it is a sculpted ceramic in the form of a sauropod dinosaur.
Sauropod dinosaurs went extinct 65 million years ago according to science. This piece was estimated to have been made between 250 B.C. and 225 A.ZD. That period obviously covers the time of Christ.

Zoomorphic vessel 250 B.C.E.- 225 C.E. Parthian period Ceramic H: 15.2 W: 28.4 D: 12.1 cm Northern Iran, Northern Iran S1987.944

         
9) Ulisse Aldrovandi’s Detailed Drawing of A Long Tailed Pterosaur; Before They Were “Discovered” By Science
Ulisse Aldrovandi (also Aldrovandus) was born in 1522 and died in 1605. He is sometimes referred to as the father of natural history studies. By profession he was a professor of philosophy but eventually became one of the first professors of the natural sciences at Bologna (no offense intended).

Ulisse died 250 years before the first pterosaur was discovered by a scientist and he mistakenly thought it was a sea going creature. It was not until the beginning of the 19th century that science realized that pterosaurs were flying creatures.
“The first pterosaur fossil was described by the Italian naturalist Cosimo Collini in 1784. Collini misinterpreted his specimen as a seagoing creature that used its long front limbs as paddles.

A few scientists continued to support the aquatic interpretation even until 1830, when the German zoologist Johann Georg Wagler suggested that Pterodactylus used its wings as flippers. Georges Cuvier first suggested that pterosaurs were flying creatures in 1801, and coined the name “Ptero-dactyle” in 1809 for the specimen recovered in Germany.” …Wikipedia

After his death his book Serpentum, et draconum historiæ Serpentum, et Draconum was published. In it, was a drawing supposedly from life (well it was dead!) of a dragon which comports very well with a long tailed, crested pterosaur especially given that Aldrovandi was a philosopher and naturalist –and not an artist.
The interesting thing about Aldrovandi’s pterosaur is that it has the crest of the pteranodon and the tail of one of the long tailed rhamphorhynchoid pterosaurs. Although we don’t know this exact pterosaur from science it closely matches modern day eyewitness descriptions and drawings of a long tailed pterosaur. (There are long tail crested pterosaurs known to science but none with the classic bone sticking out the back of its head kind).
Note what might look like another set of small wings at the legs of Aldrovandi’s dragon. It is shown here in the more modern drawing between the pteranodon’s legs. That is called the uropatagium; and since it does not appear on birds it is one indication that Aldrovandi actually saw what he drew.

“some pterosaur groups had a membrane that stretched between the legs, possibly connecting to or incorporating the tail, called the uropatagium; the extent of this membrane isn’t certain, as studies on Sordes seem to suggest that it simply connected the legs but did not involve the tail (rendering it a cruropatagium). It is generally agreed though that non-pterodactyloid pterosaurs had a broader uro/cruropatagium, with pterodactyloids only having membranes running along the legs; Pteranodon in particular might have developed/redeveloped an uropatagium, given the structure of the tail”..Wikipedia

The picture on the right (above) shows Aldrovandi’s dragon compared to Eskin Kuhn’s drawing (bottom, right) from his eyewitness sighting in the 1970’s. Kuhn was an artist and a soldier stationed at Guantanmo Bay, Cuba. His “pteranodon” had both the backwards facing “crest” and the long tail with tail vain of the rhamphorhynchoid pterosaurs. Top right is a modern drawing of a pteranodon without the long tail. Aldrovandi has the tail, crest and bat like wings of a pterosaur.
         
10) Peabody Museum Seeks to Make an Ancient Veraguas Culture Dinosaur Evolve Into a Bird Right Before Our Eyes
The “Bird” effigy ceramic whistle (middle) is from the ancient Veraguas Culture of Panama. That culture inhabited Panama from approximately 700 A.D. to 1530 A.D.

“This culture inhabited the central region of what is now province of Veraguás in Panama. The area extends from the Pacific to the Caribbean coast and includes a number of islands. The climate here is mainly humid and tropical, and the landscape includes wooded areas and valleys suitable for agriculture, as well as high mountains, hilly areas, and coastal lowlands.” Museo Chileno de Arte Precolombino

The ceramic sculpture with three legs does not have the correct number for either the bird (two) or the crested hadrosaur (four). My take is that given the teeth (which birds do not have) and the thick tail this is not a depiction of a bird but rather of a crested hadrosaur such as corythosaurus.
The single combined front legs represent the two front legs of the creature and this is not uncommon with pre Columbian art. One can certainly decide for his or her self.

Peabody Number: 39-90-20/6461 Display Title: Pottery bird effigy whistle. Light brown, probably faded from red. Descriptions: Inventory Description: Ceramic whistle, animal effigy with tripod legs Classification: Ceramic Department: Archaeological Culture/Period: Veraguas Geography/Provenience: Central America/Panama/Veraguas

         
11)Plesiosaur or Dinosaur? Mythological or Cryptozoological?

Here are a number of ancient artifacts that do beg the question; sea monster or dinosaur. It may not be clear what animal the artist has in mind but I believe that they so clearly mirror what modern day artists see as dinosaurs and marine reptiles that they simply cannot be imaginary creatures.
The ancient artist in each case intended to represent an actual living creature and they must have expected the beholder to recognize what the creature was as well. In each of these examples only a portion of the animal is sculpted making the crypto detective work more difficult.
In situations like these the museum or the auction house usually leaves this kind of speculation to the viewer but often uses the term “zoomorphic” as the description. Often as well they will name a creature for which if it were truly what the ancient artist intended he/she would have proven to be a terrible artist. That should drive down prices!
Christie’s auction house described this artifact as a horse which may seem reasonable at first but no horse would have that long a neck. Alternative identifications include the plesiosaur or a dinosaur. Plesiosaurs of course supposedly went extinct around 65 million years ago as did it is claimed, the dinosaur.
The artifact is thought to have come from the period of up to 1,000 Years before Christ.

Christie’s
• Overview
• Features
Lot Description
ANCIENT NEAR EASTERN TERRACOTTA ZOOMORPHIC RHYTON
CIRCA LATE 1ST MILLENNIUM B.C.
One in the form of a seated camel, black glazed, carrying two jars on either side of its back; another in the form of a horse, a strap handle joining the rim to the back of the vessel, a perforation at the top of the head forming the spout, 16 cm. high max.; an Amlash terracotta steatopygous idol, possibly 2nd Millenium B.C., 20.5 cm. high, mounted (repaired); and a bull rhyton, not ancient, 15 cm. high (4)

This item is described as a “serpent” effigy bowl; perhaps a “sea serpent”?

This pottery piece has been categorized as Neeley’s Ferry which are artifacts of one of the ancient group of State of Arkansas cultures. Ancient peoples are thought to have lived in Arkansas between 600 B.C. and 1600 A.D.
The Peabody specifically dated the artifact between 1350 and 1550.
This piece is further described as an earthen bowl, animal. The animal has a head with teeth giving the appearance of either a sea creature with long winding tail or perhaps a dinosaur.

Peabody Number: 80-20-10/21621 Display Title: Neeley’s Ferry serpent effigy bowl head and tail start on body & on short axis Descriptions: Inventory Description: Ceramic, complete vessel, bowl, mended, serpent head and tail Object Description: Earthen bowl, animal. Neeley’s Ferry serpent effigy bowl, head and tail start on body, tail turned on itself, head and tail on short axis. Classification: Bowl Department: Archaeological Date: A.D. 1350 – 1550 Culture/Period: Parkin Phase Geography/Provenience: North America/United States/Arkansas/Cross County//Halcomb’s Mounds; Arkansas State Intrasite: Grave, 18 inches deep; 2 feet from river

Above shows our “sea monster” at another angle which provides additional detail concerning the shape of the head and tail. By the way, seals have fins and flippers not “tails”.
This final piece is also from the Neeley’s Ferry mounds and is described as a “ceramic effigy vessel of zoomorphic design”.

This artifact was found in a gravesite buried three feet below ground level and has been dated from the period between 1350-1550.
As you can see it is very reminiscent of modern paleoartist’s depiction of theropod or meat eating dinosaurs. Of course, we only have the head but is it possible that the artist saw and knew about a then living version of such a creature?



Or is it more believable that this is an effigy of a mythological animal which accidently reminds us of modern ideas about how dinosaurs looked?

Peabody Number: 80-20-10/21195 Display Title: Ceramic effigy vessel, zoomorphic design Descriptions: Inventory Description: Ceramic effigy vessel, zoomophic design Classification: Effigy Department: Archaeological Date: A.D. 1350 – 1550 Culture/Period: Parkin Phase Geography/Provenience:North America/United States/Arkansas/Cross County//Neeley’s Ferry Mounds; Arkansas State # 3CS24 Intrasite: Grave, 3 feet deep Geo-Locale: Saint Francis River, West side of Materials: Ceramic Collector: Edwin Curtiss (01/01/1880)

         
Bonus: Nicoya, Pre Columbian Incense Burner Maker Tops Reptilian Artifact with Feet of a Theropod Dinosaur Which is Quite A Feat for Someone Who Missed Dinosaurs by 65M Years


Top left is a pre Columbian Censer (Incensario), from the 10th–12th century. There are many examples of this type of pre Columbian censer topped by a dragon/dinosaur. The excellent example at the top left is at the Metropolitan Museum of Art. If you take the time you can see the full body of a quadruped, dinosaur like creature with an extremely ornate crest or horns. This is typical of these artifacts.
No matter how un crocodile like the animal perched at the top is this type of vessel is known as either alligator or crocodile ware and elaborate stories have been concocted by archaeologists about the sacred nature of crocodiles and alligators in the pre Columbian cultures. Here’s a quote describing the object, top left by the Met.

The flare-footed, spherical bowl of this ceramic censer is enhanced, in silhouette, by the flamboyance of its chimney. Textured, appliqué bands encircle and emphasize the tall smoothness of the chimney. On the perforated cap rests an elaborate crested crocodilian. Smoke from the incense that was burned in the bowl escaped through the holes of the cap and from openings in the animal’s body. The rhythmical texture of the appliqué visually unites it with the surface of the creature’s body where the nubby portions are taken to represent the scutes of the reptile.
Both textured appliqués and scutes are surfaced in white. The spiky crest that surrounds the head is customarily found in incensarios of this period. Crocodilians frequently appear in Costa Rican art, strongly suggesting the supernatural import of these creatures in ancient times…The Met

On the Top right is a photo of one of those pre Columbian artifacts, Nicoya, an incense burner.
what is interesting about the artifact on the top, right is that a close up of the animals feet (bottom left) reveal and striking similarity of its feet as sculpted to that of the theropod dinsoaurs (bottom, right) and unlike those of lizards-or crocodiles.
         
Conclusion: There are hundreds if not thousands of artifacts in museums around the world containing representations of extinct creatures that we now called dinosaurs. The most obvious examples are labeled as fakes and are in provide collections.
Those that are not obvious dinosaurs are labeled dragons, unknown, zoomorphic, mythological, animal etc. Of course many artifacts are just those things. The issue is that when a group (archaeologists) are absolutely convinced that these animals lived millions of years ago all evidence will be viewed to reflect that belief and those that don’t will be reinterpreted, labeled or hidden away.
In any case if you should find that even one of the items in our collection is a dinosaur-or that a dinosaur is the most likely explanation that one should be enough to make you question the current scientific history control. But we understand that bucking the system is difficult to do.
Since I began with a quote from the Princess Bride it might be appropriate to finish with a modified version of another such quote:
Big Science: We face each other as God intended. Sportsmanlike. No tricks, no weapons, skill against skill alone. (not actually a believer)
Believer: You mean, you’ll put down your rock and I’ll put down my sword, and we’ll try to convince each other like civilized people-with facts and evidence?
Big Science; [brandishing rock (public opinion, science mythology, ridicule] I could just wipe you out now.
Believer: Frankly, I think the odds are slightly in your favor at hand fighting.
Big Science: It’s not my fault being the biggest and the strongest. I don’t even exercise.

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