This is a reposting of the alternative presentation that Pterosaurs and Plesiosaurs have survived up until modern times. I have permission to post it without altering anything and by linking back to the original. In this case I see several things which I agree with, some things I think are valuable as evidence, some things which I do not think are valuable as evidence at all and some things I would definitely have left out if it were up to me. However in this instance what we are looking at is what the full case is for such creatures according to Clifford A. Paiva and his associates, and we can have any discussion as necessary following.
Posts tagged with "Perth Australia Pterosaur Ropen Sighting"
Post-Deluvian Studies: Plesiosaur, Bio-Chemiluminescent Ropen-Pterosaur; Paul Nation Video; Loch Ness; Lake Champlain
BSM Research Associates On Antelecom [Post-Deluge Marine and Lacustrine Animals]
[Clifford A. Paiva Resume]
BSMRA.org Related Site: Plesiosaurs, Elasmosaurs and Pterosaurs (Ropens) Living Pterosaurs by Jonathan WhitcombPterosaur Sighting at Perth Australia (1987)
Zuiyo Maru Plesiosaur
Russ Sittloh's Normandy Nessie Video[/B]
Ropen(Pterosaur)Sightings: Texas
Frank Ramerize Sighting Pterodactyl
Ropen Sightings: Papua New Guinea Umboi Island)
Ropen Sightings: Gideon of Umboi Island(Jonathan Whitcomb Interrogator)[/B]
Ropen (Pterosaur)Sighting by Hodgkinson in World War II at Papua New GuineaClifford Anthony Paiva_BSMRA: Flipper (not dorsal) of the Zuiyo Maru CatchDr. Robert Rines:http://smtp.antelecom.net/blogs/bsmaplesiosaur/a_4_Zuiyo_Maru_Catch_Plesiosaur_Primary.pdf
Dr. Robert Rines agreed to permit me (Cliff Paiva) to apply avanced image processing techniques to the 1975 frames of the animal caught on Dr. Edgerton's submerged strobe camera. The results of that analysis revealed an elasmosaur-type animal reacting (see the bubble "wake" frames) to the strong flash. Reflection is seen off of the animal and in the surrounding medium. The neck pixels have been extracted from the background and shown connecting the head and torso. The animal differs from the Zuiyo Maru's catch 2 years later by Michihiko Yano of Taiyo Fisheries in that the animal in Loch Ness, and apparently other animals in the various Lochs of Scotland,is of a short-necked plesiosaur.[/ALIGN]
Zuiyo Maru Catch:
The assessment of BSM Research Associates is that the animal caught on the morning of 25 April 1977, about 50 km. east of Christchurch, New Zealand by the Japanese fishing boat Zuiyo Maru, and brought up from a depth of about 300 meters is a plesiosaur.
Conclusion: As the enclosed BSMRA frames indicate, the so-called displaced "dorsal" fin is not displaced from the centerline spinal column of the animal. Neither blood nor torn flesh is observed between the flipper and centerline spine. Since basking sharks possess dorsal fins and the Zuiyo Maru catch does not, therefore the animal brought up from 300 feet depth is NOT a basking shark. Further the eyes of the Zuiyo Maru animal are very large in diameter whereas basking sharks have (seen enclosed frames) small eyes.
Goertzen Article:
http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/38/38_1/Cryptid.htm
Inspection of the Zuiyo Maru pictures reveals that the aquatic cryptid had a symmetrical pair of small upper fins on each side above the anterior flippers. If this observation is correct, then the identification of this animal as a basking shark is false. Previously, the fin of just one side was observed and wrongly identified as a shark's dorsal fin that had slid sideways from the mid-dorsal ridge. Examination of the original scientific report reveals that Yano, along with all the fishermen, observed a pair of upper fins. They specifically stated there was not a shark�s dorsal fin. That statement caused considerable discussion among the scientists who questioned them. Without a dorsal fin the proposed basking shark model is dismissed. Another confirmation for the marine reptile understanding, and falsification of the shark idea, is a picture revealing the nare at the lower front of the skull. It is right where Yano sketched it, though that is not where it should be for sharks. Although this animal may not currently be identified with either living creatures or specific known fossils, it possessed characteristics like those of marine reptiles, perhaps similar to the Sauropterygia.
[The idea that a dorsal fin existed, however, is disputed by eyewitness testimony as well as the pictorial evidence. M. Yano, who conducted the primary examination of the carcass, insisted that there was no dorsal fin (Omura et al., 1978). No one else present on the ship's crew thought there was a (sharks) dorsal fin either (Obata and Tomoda, 1978; Omura et al., 1978). Evidently Yano's testimony (along with that of the other fishermen) was rejected in favor of the dorsal fin theory...for obvious reasons (existence of a plesiosaur, and the resulting evolution model integrity threat). [/ALIGN]Yano was questioned by Obata and Tomoda (1978, p. 45) regarding the upper fin(s) (B). Obata and Tomoda observed that the fin was considerably smaller than the anterior ventral propulsion flippers (as occurs in plesiosaur and elasmosaur), and suggested that it was somehow the broken posterior ventral flipper (a hypothetical break accounting for its smaller size; B of Figures 2 and 3) overlaying an almost complete right anterior ventral flipper (C) of Figures 2 and 3). That judgment was denied by Yano, who stated that the supposed broken posterior ventral flipper of Obata and Tomoda was actually one of the paired upper fins which had an unusual array of exposed rays near its base as well as on its edge. This fin (B) is the same fin that other scientists incorrectly thought was the dorsal fin of a shark that had slid sideways from the center. The displaced dorsal fin of course was shown incorrect upon closer examination by BSM Research; indicating not torn or displaced flesh between the actual flipper and the spinal centerline. Those scientists correctly stated that it was located too far forward and displaced left of the center line on the body to be the posterior ventral flipper.
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http://smtp.antelecom.net/blogs/bsmaplesiosaur/index_09_03.htm
Image processing for this section is implemented by myself; the hardware and software computer integration being provided by my son, Mr. Alexander Mitchell Paiva (a computer firmware and software specialist), specifically for The History Channel's Monsterquest Flying Monsters program. Hydrodynamics of lift forces, coefficients of lift as a function of pterosaur wing area, and overall dive velocity profiles were included in the follow-up technical report to be released�the Fall of 2009. Correlations to North America include the Great Lakes region, Sonora Desert (Guadalajara, Mexico and Stephenville, Texas), and Southern California, and Great Britain. Note that the so-called UFO Fleet observations are really high altitude flying animals which are flocking and may be mathematically modelled. The animation graphically portrays the groupings and flight units.
BSM Research Pterosaur Studies
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Pterosaur (Ropen) Studies[/B]: Ongoing image processing at BSM Research Associates supports Mr. Garth Guessman's field expedition efforts to obtain definitive information optics data of post-deluvian pterosaur-type animals. All frames included as data obtained from Genesis Park field research is obtained through the courtesy of Genesis Park's director G. Guessman.� The SCI-FI Channel frames indicate very positive correlation to the Genesis Park frames, especially in luminescence, hence the animals are probably the same.[/ALIGN]The paleontologist who appeared on the History Channel's Monsterquest, a believer in the evolution model, admits the to the complete absence of pterosaur and pterodactyl transitional forms. Not withstanding this lack of scientific data which challenges his model, he maintains pterosaurs evolved anyway. Lack of percentage transitional forms (i.e. 30% wing-to-70% limb) indicates a defunct model (evolution); such a model being outside the realm of experimentally derived science. That school district superintendents continue to hide behind state law (the Nuremburg Option..."somebody ordered me....) indicates criminal liability on the part of these men and women, since taxpayers suffer the multi-billion dollar loss which has occurred since the early 20th Century. Evolution is in fact a sink hole of pecuniary disbursement. Chupacabra Canine Identification:
BSM Research Associates has introduced for the first time the identification of the Sinoyx-Mesonychid-Chupacabra, living fossil. Evolutionists of course must deny this as their professions and credibilities were in very serious danger, even before this discovery.[/ALIGN][/ALIGN]
[Clifford A. Paiva Resume]
BSMRA.org Related Site: Plesiosaurs, Elasmosaurs and Pterosaurs (Ropens) Living Pterosaurs by Jonathan WhitcombPterosaur Sighting at Perth Australia (1987)Zuiyo Maru Plesiosaur
Russ Sittloh's Normandy Nessie Video[/B]
Ropen(Pterosaur)Sightings: Texas
Frank Ramerize Sighting Pterodactyl
Ropen Sightings: Papua New Guinea Umboi Island)
Ropen Sightings: Gideon of Umboi Island(Jonathan Whitcomb Interrogator)[/B]
Ropen (Pterosaur)Sighting by Hodgkinson in World War II at Papua New GuineaClifford Anthony Paiva_BSMRA: Flipper (not dorsal) of the Zuiyo Maru CatchDr. Robert Rines:http://smtp.antelecom.net/blogs/bsmaplesiosaur/a_4_Zuiyo_Maru_Catch_Plesiosaur_Primary.pdf
Dr. Robert Rines agreed to permit me (Cliff Paiva) to apply avanced image processing techniques to the 1975 frames of the animal caught on Dr. Edgerton's submerged strobe camera. The results of that analysis revealed an elasmosaur-type animal reacting (see the bubble "wake" frames) to the strong flash. Reflection is seen off of the animal and in the surrounding medium. The neck pixels have been extracted from the background and shown connecting the head and torso. The animal differs from the Zuiyo Maru's catch 2 years later by Michihiko Yano of Taiyo Fisheries in that the animal in Loch Ness, and apparently other animals in the various Lochs of Scotland,is of a short-necked plesiosaur.[/ALIGN]
Zuiyo Maru Catch:
The assessment of BSM Research Associates is that the animal caught on the morning of 25 April 1977, about 50 km. east of Christchurch, New Zealand by the Japanese fishing boat Zuiyo Maru, and brought up from a depth of about 300 meters is a plesiosaur.
Conclusion: As the enclosed BSMRA frames indicate, the so-called displaced "dorsal" fin is not displaced from the centerline spinal column of the animal. Neither blood nor torn flesh is observed between the flipper and centerline spine. Since basking sharks possess dorsal fins and the Zuiyo Maru catch does not, therefore the animal brought up from 300 feet depth is NOT a basking shark. Further the eyes of the Zuiyo Maru animal are very large in diameter whereas basking sharks have (seen enclosed frames) small eyes.
Goertzen Article:
http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/38/38_1/Cryptid.htm
Inspection of the Zuiyo Maru pictures reveals that the aquatic cryptid had a symmetrical pair of small upper fins on each side above the anterior flippers. If this observation is correct, then the identification of this animal as a basking shark is false. Previously, the fin of just one side was observed and wrongly identified as a shark's dorsal fin that had slid sideways from the mid-dorsal ridge. Examination of the original scientific report reveals that Yano, along with all the fishermen, observed a pair of upper fins. They specifically stated there was not a shark�s dorsal fin. That statement caused considerable discussion among the scientists who questioned them. Without a dorsal fin the proposed basking shark model is dismissed. Another confirmation for the marine reptile understanding, and falsification of the shark idea, is a picture revealing the nare at the lower front of the skull. It is right where Yano sketched it, though that is not where it should be for sharks. Although this animal may not currently be identified with either living creatures or specific known fossils, it possessed characteristics like those of marine reptiles, perhaps similar to the Sauropterygia.
[The idea that a dorsal fin existed, however, is disputed by eyewitness testimony as well as the pictorial evidence. M. Yano, who conducted the primary examination of the carcass, insisted that there was no dorsal fin (Omura et al., 1978). No one else present on the ship's crew thought there was a (sharks) dorsal fin either (Obata and Tomoda, 1978; Omura et al., 1978). Evidently Yano's testimony (along with that of the other fishermen) was rejected in favor of the dorsal fin theory...for obvious reasons (existence of a plesiosaur, and the resulting evolution model integrity threat). [/ALIGN]Yano was questioned by Obata and Tomoda (1978, p. 45) regarding the upper fin(s) (B). Obata and Tomoda observed that the fin was considerably smaller than the anterior ventral propulsion flippers (as occurs in plesiosaur and elasmosaur), and suggested that it was somehow the broken posterior ventral flipper (a hypothetical break accounting for its smaller size; B of Figures 2 and 3) overlaying an almost complete right anterior ventral flipper (C) of Figures 2 and 3). That judgment was denied by Yano, who stated that the supposed broken posterior ventral flipper of Obata and Tomoda was actually one of the paired upper fins which had an unusual array of exposed rays near its base as well as on its edge. This fin (B) is the same fin that other scientists incorrectly thought was the dorsal fin of a shark that had slid sideways from the center. The displaced dorsal fin of course was shown incorrect upon closer examination by BSM Research; indicating not torn or displaced flesh between the actual flipper and the spinal centerline. Those scientists correctly stated that it was located too far forward and displaced left of the center line on the body to be the posterior ventral flipper.
[/ALIGN][/ALIGN] http://smtp.antelecom.net/blogs/bsmaplesiosaur/index_09_03.htm
Image processing for this section is implemented by myself; the hardware and software computer integration being provided by my son, Mr. Alexander Mitchell Paiva (a computer firmware and software specialist), specifically for The History Channel's Monsterquest Flying Monsters program. Hydrodynamics of lift forces, coefficients of lift as a function of pterosaur wing area, and overall dive velocity profiles were included in the follow-up technical report to be released�the Fall of 2009. Correlations to North America include the Great Lakes region, Sonora Desert (Guadalajara, Mexico and Stephenville, Texas), and Southern California, and Great Britain. Note that the so-called UFO Fleet observations are really high altitude flying animals which are flocking and may be mathematically modelled. The animation graphically portrays the groupings and flight units.
BSM Research Pterosaur Studies
[/ALIGN][/ALIGN]
Pterosaur (Ropen) Studies[/B]: Ongoing image processing at BSM Research Associates supports Mr. Garth Guessman's field expedition efforts to obtain definitive information optics data of post-deluvian pterosaur-type animals. All frames included as data obtained from Genesis Park field research is obtained through the courtesy of Genesis Park's director G. Guessman.� The SCI-FI Channel frames indicate very positive correlation to the Genesis Park frames, especially in luminescence, hence the animals are probably the same.[/ALIGN]The paleontologist who appeared on the History Channel's Monsterquest, a believer in the evolution model, admits the to the complete absence of pterosaur and pterodactyl transitional forms. Not withstanding this lack of scientific data which challenges his model, he maintains pterosaurs evolved anyway. Lack of percentage transitional forms (i.e. 30% wing-to-70% limb) indicates a defunct model (evolution); such a model being outside the realm of experimentally derived science. That school district superintendents continue to hide behind state law (the Nuremburg Option..."somebody ordered me....) indicates criminal liability on the part of these men and women, since taxpayers suffer the multi-billion dollar loss which has occurred since the early 20th Century. Evolution is in fact a sink hole of pecuniary disbursement. Chupacabra Canine Identification:
BSM Research Associates has introduced for the first time the identification of the Sinoyx-Mesonychid-Chupacabra, living fossil. Evolutionists of course must deny this as their professions and credibilities were in very serious danger, even before this discovery.[/ALIGN][/ALIGN]
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